On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:14:35   Thomas Beale wrote:
...
>> It is rather easy to prepare a scheme of identifiers used to do one clearly
>> defined job.  So one solution is to generate many such schemes.
>
>hence the template or archetype approach - each archetype defines a composition
>of information for a purpose. 

Hi Thomas,
  I thought all archetypes must conform to a standard GEHR Object Model (GOM)?

In response to my previous posting (excerpt from 
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg03196.html),
I said:
>*Any "idealized" schema is arbitrary (in the sense that it cannot be proven to be 
>objectively ideal) and necessarily functions as a constraint upon the actual schema.*

You said:
   Philosophically this might be true, but we can perform just good information 
analysis 
   and come up with some kind of useful standard schema. This is effectively what 
things 
   like the RIM, GEHR Object Model, CORBAmed interface etc are. 


>Compositions mostly correspond to particular
>usages, processes, contexts etc, so there is no getting out of creating various
>archetypes each containing some of the same terms. 

But if all the archetypes must conform to GOM, then how can they not all be simply 
subsets of GOM? What if a concept is new and is not mapped by GOM? How can GOM be 
extended? Who should decide?

Once you have a GOM that constrains archetypes, it seems that you inherit all the 
features (good and bad) of a "idealized schema". 

...
>> be possible to take data generated by one scheme and to group it (m to 1) to
>> meet another requirement.  It may also be possible to group the same data in
>> more than one different way to meet different needs. It goes without saying
>
>Hence the idea of multi-level archetypes and archetype composition.

Interesting! Does that mean you will end up with a giant tree of archetypes? Kind of 
like Philippe's Odyssee semantic network? Would each node/leaf be an archetype or a 
concept (since each archetype may contain more than one concept)?

How is that better than having a large set of "archetype-to-archetype" translators?

Best regards,

Andrew
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Andrew P. Ho, M.D.
OIO: Open Infrastructure for Outcomes
www.TxOutcome.Org
Assistant Clinical Professor
Department of Psychiatry, Harbor-UCLA Medical Center
University of California, Los Angeles


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