> 
The data model is more a symptom than an underlying cause of the problem.

I would agree and say in more detail that the lack of understanding of the 
critical importance of a robust conceptual and logical data model for the 
myriad facets of medicine is a symptom of an underlying set of problems - that 
fall under the very broad categories of false assumptions and underestimations.

The set of problems has been studied with regard to IT for many years; for 
example see this work:

Social Informatics.  An introductory essay entitled “Learning from Social 
Informatics” by R. Kling at the University of Indiana can be found at this
link.  The book “Understanding And Communicating Social
Informatics” by Kling, Rosenbaum & Sawyer, Information Today, 2005
(Amazon.com link here)
was based on this essay.

Scot

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Interesting article, but I'm not sure its conclusions are on-target. 

The data model is more a symptom than an underlying cause of the problem.


In my view the key point is that we cannot trust the existing 

"custodians" of medical IT to get it right.  They haven't come close 

yet.  The only way we'll get there is to require complete transparency 

at all levels.  And fortunately the new administration does seem to 

value transparency.


And yes, transparency is of course what FOSS is all about.  However that 

point should not be raised prematurely.
.. but perhaps when responding to 

the question of "how do we achieve transparency"
....


Rod


Scot Silverstein wrote:

> If you get a chance, please touch on "meaningful misuse"  as in this story by 
> a software engineer who became a patient:

> 

> The Data Model That Nearly Killed Me

> 
http://www.syleum.
com/2009/
03/17/healthcare
-data-model/


> 

> Scot

> 

> ------------
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> Scot M. Silverstein, MD

> Consultant in Medical Informatics

> Teaching faculty in Healthcare Informatics and IT (Sept. 2007-)

> Director, Institute for Healthcare Informatics (2005-7)

> College of Information Science and Technology

> Drexel University

> 3141 Chestnut St.

> Philadelphia, PA 19104-2875

> 

> Email:  
scot.silverstein@
ischool.drexel.
edu


> Bio:  www.ischool.
drexel.edu/
faculty/ssilvers
tein/biography.
htm

> Common Examples of HIT difficulty:  

> www.ischool.
drexel.edu/
faculty/ssilvers
tein/medinfo.
htm

> ARS KU3E, member www.arrl.org 

> 

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> From: fred trotter <
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> Sent by: 
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> Date: 04/18/2009 06:05PM

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> Subject: [openhealth] Re: I have been invited to testify on 'Meaningful Use'

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> Sounds good... its got to be short. I do not have much time!

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> -FT

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> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Edmund Billings

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> <

> edmund.billings@

> medsphere.

> com

>> wrote:

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>> We should collaborate on a position paper.... I will work some points.

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>> Edmund

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>> Edmund Billings MD

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>> 415.505.8953

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>> On Apr 18, 2009, at 2:46 PM, "fred trotter" <

> fred.trotter@

> gmail.com

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>> wrote:

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>>> Hi,

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>>>        It looks like I have been invited to testify in Washington on

> 

>>> what it means to have 'Meaningful Use' of EHR systems.

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> 
http://www.ncvhs.


> hhs.gov/090428ag

> 2.pdf

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>>>        As before, I want to ensure that my testimony reflects the

> 

>>> attitudes and values of our culture. Using Google moderator for the

> 

>>> CCHIT meeting seemed to work. It is even more important this time,

> 

>>> because I may be the only voice of reason (the FOSS angle) at this

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>>> meeting. For this reason:

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http://moderator.


> appspot.com/

> #15/e=4a793&

> t=4a795

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>>> --

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>>> Fred Trotter

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> 
http://www.fredtrot


> ter.com


 
    
  
    

    


        

        

        





        

        

        



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