I agree. It is better and should keep the lawyers at bay.
Dave
fred trotter wrote:
>
>
> Ok... I will call that a consensus and we will change the name!!
>
> -FT
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Elwell, Tim <tim.elw...@misys.com
> <mailto:Tim.Elwell%40misys.com>> wrote:
>
> >
> > I believe 'health' is more appropriate as well.
> >
> > Tim Elwell
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: open-ehealth-collaborat...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:open-ehealth-collaborative%40googlegroups.com> [mailto:
> > open-ehealth-collaborat...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:open-ehealth-collaborative%40googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of
> fred trotter
> > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 9:30 PM
> > To: open-ehealth-collaborat...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:open-ehealth-collaborative%40googlegroups.com>
> > Cc: hardh...@googlegroups.com <mailto:hardhats%40googlegroups.com>;
> openhealth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:openhealth%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Hardhats] Re: [openhealth] Announcing Liberty Medical
> > Software Foundation and a petition in support of the current VistA as
> > Utility act
> >
> >
> > If there is a broad consensus that 'Health' is a more appropriate
> > name, then I will change the name. I have registered LibertyHSF.org
> > for that purpose.
> >
> > Anyone care to add an opinion?
> >
> > -FT
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Edmund Billings
> > <edmund.billi...@medsphere.com
> <mailto:edmund.billings%40medsphere.com>> wrote:
> > > Health is broader and may be more appropriate than Medical...
> > >
> > > Medical connotes physician centered care which is just part of the
> > solutions.
> > >
> > > Edmund
> > > ___________________
> > > Edmund Billings MD
> > > Chief Medical Officer
> > > Medsphere
> > > 1917 Palomar Oaks Way
> > > Suite 200
> > > Carlsbad, CA 92008
> > > 760.692.3700 office
> > > 415.505.8953 cell
> > > www.medsphere.com
> > >
> > > "Transforming Healthcare through Open Source"
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: hardh...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:Hardhats%40googlegroups.com> [hardh...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:Hardhats%40googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of
> > fred trotter [fred.trot...@gmail.com <mailto:fred.trotter%40gmail.com>]
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:59 PM
> > > To: openhealth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:openhealth%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Cc: open-ehealth-collaborat...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:open-ehealth-collaborative%40googlegroups.com>;
> > hardh...@googlegroups.com <mailto:hardhats%40googlegroups.com>
> > > Subject: [Hardhats] Re: [openhealth] Announcing Liberty Medical
> Software
> > Foundation and a petition in support of the current VistA as Utility act
> > >
> > > This is unlikely to be a problem if we simply consistently refer to
> > > the organization as either
> > >
> > > 'LibertyMSF' and/or
> > > 'Liberty Medical Software Foundation'
> > >
> > > please help me be referring to it that way. Once we have do that for a
> > > while, the distinction should become clear.
> > >
> > > -FT
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 9:42 AM, David Forslund <forsl...@mail.com
> <mailto:forslund%40mail.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >> My only concern about this proposal is that there is a company
> with the
> > >> name Liberty Medical out there (http://www.libertymedical.com
> <http://www.libertymedical.com>). That
> > >> might create some confusion as well as some legal issues, but
> then I'm
> > >> no lawyer. (in fact, when I saw the title of the email, I initially
> > >> thought it was something connected with that company, which does
> a lot
> > >> of advertising on TV).
> > >>
> > >> Dave Forslund
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> fred trotter wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>> At the behest of many of the vendors and individuals within
> > >>> the community, we are now announcing the creation of the Liberty
> > >>> Medical Software Foundation.
> > >>>
> > >>> http://libertymsf.org <http://libertymsf.org>
> <http://libertymsf.org <http://libertymsf.org>>
> > >>>
> > >>> This organization will exist to be our HIMSS, our EHR vendor
> > >>> association and, if needed, our CCHIT. It is intended to serve both
> > >>> the needs of the FOSS vendor community, and the community of
> > >>> individual developers and clinical users of FOSS EHR software. It is
> > >>> intended to be a place where FOSS companies like Medsphere or
> > >>> ClearHealth can sit at the same table with FOSS friendly proprietary
> > >>> companies like Misys and DSS! This is intended to be a place where a
> > >>> single developer from OpenEMR will be shown the same deference and
> > >>> respect as the CEO of IBM.
> > >>>
> > >>> We cannot afford an Open Source vs. Free Software divide in
> > >>> our community. That is the reason we chose the term 'Liberty'
> for our
> > >>> name. Openness is good, but it is not enough, we need freedom.
> But we
> > >>> cannot go around having the conversation:
> > >>> "When I say Free, I do not mean what you hope it means. You hope it
> > >>> means costless. In fact I plan to charge quite allot of money
> for this
> > >>> free stuff, but you will have freedom when I am done. Of course
> it is
> > >>> -often- true that when I say free I mean that you can just
> download it
> > >>> off sourceforge for no cost. So I mean 'Free-as-in-freedom' and
> > >>> 'free-as-in-beer' at different points in this conversation and you
> > >>> are expected to keep up based on context clues."
> > >>>
> > >>> The vendors are going to have trouble trying to sell 'free' stuff no
> > >>> matter how you cut it. Also, even if we wanted to use Open, everyone
> > >>> and their dog has an organization that begins with 'Open' I can
> rattle
> > >>> off seven without thinking hard. When we previously discussed
> starting
> > >>> something like this using the term 'Free' people got pretty huffy.
> > >>>
> > >>> Liberty is the compromise. You might be paying millions for the
> > >>> deployment of software that you can download from sourceforge for no
> > >>> cost, and that is OK but what you need to have is 'Liberty'. I hope
> > >>> everyone is as please with this compromise as I am. We will be
> > >>> announcing membership and leadership shortly, but you can be assured
> > >>> the usual suspects will be involved or at least invited.
> > >>>
> > >>> Our first project, and the reason that we are unveiling this now, is
> > >>> to activate the community in support of the Health IT Public Utility
> > >>> Act of 2009.
> > >>>
> > >>> We have created a petition that we will be submitting to
> generously to
> > >>> congressional representatives. (Just go to our homepage) Note
> that we
> > >>> specifically choose a petition engine that allows you to sign with
> > >>> comments, and those comments will be passed along as slightly
> modified
> > >>> petitions. Essentially this is a way for you to both sign a
> letter to
> > >>> Congress, and also send an individual note, with LibertyMSF
> doing most
> > >>> of the grunt work. (Note: Dr. Billings did much of the content
> of the
> > >>> petition in his letter published here earlier)
> > >>>
> > >>> Most importantly, you can forward the petition to your email
> contacts,
> > >>> or your favorite social network. If you are reading this, and you
> > >>> agree with the basic principles outlined in the legislation, please
> > >>> take it upon yourself to get ten people you know who are not in this
> > >>> community to sign the petition.
> > >>>
> > >>> I want to be clear: The only thing this community has going for it
> > >>> politically is being right. The profit margins of the average large
> > >>> proprietary EHR vendor will always dwarf the resources of even our
> > >>> largest vendors. They can always leverage their vendor lock-in to
> > >>> force more and more money out of their customers. We simply cannot
> > >>> compete with their lobbying dollars. We have to organize and
> mobilize.
> > >>> We need to reach out to the larger FOSS movement. We need to get out
> > >>> local Linux Users Groups or Python users group or PHP or whatever,
> > >>> aware of the basic tenants of our argument. We need to reach many,
> > >>> many more doctors. We need to get nurses involved.
> > >>>
> > >>> VistA has proven that the only way to solve the problem of
> healthcare
> > >>> automation is through the use of collaborative development that is
> > >>> only possible inside the VA with a single shared employer who owns
> > >>> everything or the use of FOSS licenses outside the VA.
> > >>>
> > >>> Please also signup for an account on LibertyMSF.org so that we
> can get
> > >>> ahold of you. We do not have direct access to the details of
> petition
> > >>> signers. Please email me personally if you are interested in
> fomenting
> > >>> a local chapter of LibertyMSF in your area or something like...
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>> -FT
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Fred Trotter
> > >>> http://www.fredtrotter.com <http://www.fredtrotter.com>
> <http://www.fredtrotter.com <http://www.fredtrotter.com>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Fred Trotter
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Fred Trotter
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> >
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