OpenID's proponents are different than Linux's and require a different
approach.
Specifically, you can download and run Linux on your own machine; if
something goes wrong and you're a hacxx0r, you can fix it.
With OpenID, it's less clear how an individual can pitch in, aside
from under-leveraged demand-side efforts like demand.openid.net that
attempt to prove consumer interest to potential RPs.
We must do MUCH more heavy lifting -- bringing the horses to the
trough so-to-speak -- in order to get them to drink. We must develop
the language, then, that allows people to express their desires, if
not just become aware of them by realizing what's possible (i.e. No
more passwords! How? Support OpenID!). We haven't developed, let alone
promoted, these memes widely enough yet, so that'd be one area that I
think marketing could tackle.
Chris
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On Jan 15, 2010, at 19:16, Brian Kissel <[email protected]> wrote:
Great feedback Chris, agree with your points. Also agree we may
still want to have separate Marketing and Adoption Committees.
There is some overlap, but there are some separate activities and
goals. Depends who shows up for which committees and who is willing
to volunteer some meaningful time and effort. FB is all full time
paid employees doing a lot of the heavy lifting, whereas OpenID is
volunteers. Linux has done a lot with volunteers, but the Bluetooth
SIG had to hire a lot of people to start getting meaningful
adoption. To date, we have not had the widespread volunteer support
of something like Linux. Welcome input from those monitoring this
list on how to facilitate and enable more volunteer support. We get
lots of email suggestions, but not much in the way of people
tackling specific projects and deliverables.
Cheers,
Brian
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From: [email protected] [mailto:openid-board-
[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Messina
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 7:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Adoption: are we ready? (Was: Re: board
Digest, Vol 37, Issue 10)
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Brian Kissel <[email protected]>
wrote:
Regardless of how we get the technologies to work with each other,
from an adoption perspective it seems like we do need to have a
clear and consistent message on how RPs and end users can leverage
all the benefits of OpenID, OAuth, WRAP, Portable Contacts, SREG/AX,
Activity Streams, etc. in a robust and reliable way. Facebook has
done a great job providing a turnkey solution for website operators
and end users that provides benefits to both stakeholders. The open
standards-based alternatives need to offer similarly compelling
functionality and ease of deployment/use to see increased success in
the market. What suggestions do folks have on how we achieve that?
I think that we need more demos and examples of how this stuff works
— whether we wire up openid.net or openweb.org as a demonstration o
f how this stuff can be assembled, what Facebook has done better tha
n most is:
1) lead by example
2) work with partners to demonstrate how far you can take integrations
3) supported their product and shown continuous, active development
(even if that means breaking things from time to time, it proves
that they're at least changing things!)
4) have done lots of worldwide outreach to foment community with
Developer Garages
5) have made the technology relevant to their audience: site and app
builders, hobbyists, publishers, etc
6) have communicated clearly and consistently the value of the
technology
These pages are worth providing an OpenID.net answer to:
http://developers.facebook.com/connect.php
http://www.facebook.com/connectnews?v=app_7146470109
7) have provided overwhelming value that obviated the concern about
someone else "owning" the implementors' customers — instead the upsi
de for new customers was so great that it was worth the perceived lo
ss of control.
8) have provided desktop, embedded, mobile, and web solutions
9) have provided user interface guidelines, recommendations,
analytics, and other tools to measure the success of an implementation
10) have kept the FB Connect in the news and have continued to roll
out new features, improvements, optimizations, and functionality
So. We have our work cut out for us.
Especially aligning all the things that the companies pushing the
open solutions have been rolling out that would make for great news
stories.
Perhaps we should really just break up what would have been the
marketing@ committee and create an adoption and press committees to
help make concrete and divide up responsibilities for some of the
things that need to happen in 2010?
Chris
Cheers,
Brian
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From: [email protected] [mailto:openid-board-
[email protected]] On Behalf Of Allen Tom
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Adoption: are we ready? (Was: Re: board
Digest, Vol 37, Issue 10)
As one of the authors of OAuth-WRAP let me just say that rewriting
OpenID as a profile of WRAP is a bad idea, especially from a
marketing and perception perspective.
However, I do think that we need a way for RPs to access the user’s
data via API, and some sort of WRAP integration does seem to make se
nse.
Allen
On 1/15/10 8:10 AM, "Chris Messina" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 5:45 AM, daniel jacobson
<[email protected]> wrote:
While I'm not about to suggest that we wait for the "perfect"
solution — I want to be conscious of the cred that could be burned i
f we decide, 3-6 months from now, that really OpenID should be rewri
tten as a profile of OAuth WRAP (let's just say) and that adoption s
hould really hinge on getting WRAP out the door and THEN promoting O
penID v.Next on top of it.
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