On May 20, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Ben Laurie wrote:

> > This is already relaxed by federation since the IdP has to assert the 
> > identity,
> 
> The IdP (in most federated systems I've ever seen) is making an assertion 
> that:
> 
> i) It has verified, in some way, the identity of someone.
> ii) That this same "someone" has an account with the IdP
> and optionally, iii) That this same "someone" has recently supplied a shared 
> secret indicating that he or she is "logged in" to his or her account at the 
> IdP.
> 
> None of those things is an assertion about "identity", per se.
> 
> I'm not sure I'm really interested in this discussion,

By which, I suppose you must (roughly) agree with my statements ;)

> but I note you said "...verified the identity... " which sounds to me like it 
> might have something to do with identity. Per se.

"Something to do with...", certainly. Not the same thing as "assert the 
identity".

Regards,

- johnk
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