Hi Paul,

got it :-) Would it make sense to add this assumption to the charter? 

Does this mean:
- a single AZA manages access to multiple authz servers?
- an app needs to be able to register its authz server/idp at the AZA?

Thanks,
Torsten.



Paul Madsen <[email protected]> schrieb:

>Hi Torsten, wrt the possibility of an id_token being used against a 
>'home' IdP, the current model is that it would be the AZA that would 
>perform this exchange, not the native app itself - this because the 
>overarching assumption being that the AZA should do as much of the
>heavy 
>lifting as possible - and thereby simplify life for the native apps.
>
>But that is separate I think from the use case of an native app wanting
>
>to consume an id_token directly (for access control, customization etc)
>
>and so i will look at charter to make sure this scenario is supported.
>
>paul
>
>
>On 7/2/13 11:31 AM, Torsten Lodderstedt wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I agree with Nat on this use case. Another one is that the app wants 
>> to use the id_token as credential on its "home" IDP (probably via JWT
>
>> bearer token profile). This is more or less 3rd party login for apps.
>>
>> regards,
>> Torsten.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nat Sakimura <[email protected]> schrieb:
>>
>>     Yes. If the app wants the identity information to evaluate its
>own
>>     access control, then it would probably want to know about the
>user
>>     identity (i.e., set of attributes related to the entity), and
>>     id_token is the right thing.
>>
>>     When I was talking to some law enforcement people in EU, they
>were
>>     talking similar things. Right now, we do not have any location
>>     data defined in the claims, but we may also want to do so in such
>>     cases.
>>
>>     Nat
>>
>>
>>     2013/7/3 Paul Madsen <[email protected]
>>     <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>
>>         Hi Nat, the current AZA model does not preclude an access
>>         token being formatted as an id_token.
>>
>>         I believe Torsten was conjecturing that there was potential
>>         value in an id_token being delivered to a native app in
>>         addition to an access token (whether formatted as id_token or
>not)
>>
>>         Regards
>>
>>         paul
>>
>>         On 7/2/13 10:53 AM, Nat Sakimura wrote:
>>>         I actually do see some utility in the access token in the
>>>         format of ID Token.
>>>         It can give appropriate audience restriction etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>         2013/7/2 Paul Madsen <[email protected]
>>>         <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>
>>>             Hi Torsten, the current model is that the Authorization
>>>             Agent (AZA) may itself obtain an id_token and use it to
>>>             obtain an access token, but that only access tokens
>would
>>>             be 'handed over' by the AZA to its constituent native
>apps.
>>>
>>>             Are you proposing that there may be value in allowing
>the
>>>             AZA to also hand over id_tokens (suitably targeted) as
>well?
>>>
>>>             paul
>>>
>>>             On 7/1/13 1:38 PM, Torsten Lodderstedt wrote:
>>>>             Hi John,
>>>>
>>>>             I interpreted the text of the charter the other way
>>>>             around, so a client would be able to use an(y) id_token
>>>>             (as a credential) to obtain an access token. I'm fine
>if
>>>>             the mechanism is intended to support id_token issuance.
>>>>
>>>>             regards,
>>>>             Torsten.
>>>>
>>>>              Am 01.07.2013 15:06, schrieb John Bradley:
>>>>>             Hi Torsten,
>>>>>
>>>>>             In point 3 the charter talks about using id_tokens to
>>>>>             get access tokens.
>>>>>
>>>>>             So it is imagined that the mechanism would issue
>>>>>             id_tokens likely along the lines that Google is doing
>>>>>             for the play store by having a 3rd party as an
>audience
>>>>>             and using "azp" to indicate the client the token was
>>>>>             issued to.   We don't want to be too specific on the
>>>>>             solution in the charter.
>>>>>
>>>>>             If you think something needs to be added let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>>             John B.
>>>>>
>>>>>             On 2013-07-01, at 2:17 AM, Torsten Lodderstedt
>>>>>             <[email protected]
>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>             Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             it would be great to have such a mechanism across
>>>>>>             platforms!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             I'm wondering whether the mechanism should issue id
>>>>>>             tokens as well. Right now it seems to focus on access
>>>>>>             tokens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Regards,
>>>>>>             Torsten.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             John Bradley <[email protected]
>>>>>>             <mailto:[email protected]>> schrieb:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 The enclosed Work Group Charter is being sent to
>the Specs Council for review in anticipation of chartering the Group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 It is best have this activity under the
>foundation IPR as soon as possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Regards
>>>>>>                 John B.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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