On 07/24/14 07:34 PM, Philip Robar wrote:
y short 1U case to my "external drives." The SATA spec says
that data cables
I just think that is ludicrous to have one box where controller is and abother box where additional disks are and ,like, 16 SATA cables in between... It sounds more like Mickey Mouse type of solution and not recommended not even for your basement...

Just grab Large ATX case with the space for many 5.25" and 3.5 drives internally and THEN use metal enclosures within, to put as many 3.5" or 2.5" drives in it (maybe even hot swap who wants it), with good ventilation. Anything else is ludicrous, against all recommendations (using internal cables externally... wish you luck..) and leads to dead data.

If one absolutely can not find big tower and 16 4TB drives are not big enough, then maybe that setup is not ,like, any home setup and might think of buying a rack,
or just put another very big tower with many drives in it's basement.
But tower with PSU , motherboard, cpu, memory, system and many drives in ONE case.
No, as I've explained above. Another option, though, would be to get an
eSATA card and a drive case that supports port multiplication, but then you
have to be aware of the throughput limitations of a shared data path.
I already said that is a bad practice to use any port multiplicators,
because of errors and problems with disk abstraction and data congestion that unknown chip impose on ZFS. There were numerous problems observed and problems at the level of kernel and device drivers, problems that could not possibly solved inside illumos, because that are problems of those chips itselfs. Point of ZFS is to use JBOD with regular SATA/SAS controler and drives (not SAS/SATA mixed) to lower your costs for storage, not to depend on some nasty RAID chips and not to depend on sanity of some unknown extender chips.

Please read the reviews for this product at Amazon and Newegg. They are
overwhelmingly positive.
As Wikipedia is saying, no public forum is the valid source for quotation, but an article.

With that kind of messy setup, one would be degrading what ZFS offers you (end-to-end data integrity with full speed of disks utilized), so NO cable extender chips and NO external enclosures with many SATA cables in between.

Yust buy a BIG ATX case with place for many drives and wire them internally to JBOD SATA controller.

If one uses ONE drive in external casing , connected to eSATA,
to say, Use Time slider option in Openindiana, to replicate dataset snapshots to external drive, that would be good enough. Maybe even it would be good to use many eSATA cables in between many drives in external case/cases but that is eSATA, not SATA and excludes from using any port multipliers. And that sound a lot of more messy and expensive then just putting more drives in your storage PC. So at the end of the day, if not using 'one disk per cable' and eSATA, that kind of external boxes are counterproductive to your data and suck more money from you without giving anything sane back in return to your ZFS storage pools.


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