When in doubt you can always specify -Djavafx.verbose=true and observed the libraries are begin loaded. In Steve’s example you should see something like Loaded /Users/Steve/Documents/jfx-8u20/jfx/rt/build/sdk/rt/lib/libglass.dylib …
Felipe On Jun 25, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Kevin Rushforth <[email protected]> wrote: > While you are there, if the Wiki doesn't already say it (I think it does) > then note that this presumes you have removed jfxrt.jar from the jre/lib/ext > directory of your JDK. > > -- Kevin > > > Stephen F Northover wrote: >> The following line of crap works for me on Windows to run Ensemble: >> >> java -cp >> /Users/Steve/Documents/jfx-8u20/jfx/rt/build/sdk/rt/lib/ext/jfxrt.jar;/Users/Steve/Documents/jfx-8u20/jfx/rt/apps/samples/Ensemble8/dist/Ensemble8.jar >> ensemble.EnsembleApp >> >> I just checked the wiki and it's not documented. I will update it. >> >> Steve >> >> On 2014-06-25, 11:04 AM, Kevin Rushforth wrote: >>> If you use build/sdk/rt/lib/ext/jfxrt.jar then it will find the >>> corresponding DLLs, but if you use the built class files rather than >>> jfxrt.jar then you are right in that you need to specify >>> -Djava.library.path to point to the native DLLs. >>> >>> -- Kevin >>> >>> >>> Tom Schindl wrote: >>>> I think you also need to spec the native-dlls location else there's the >>>> chance of a mismatch because the dlls are loaded from the JRE and might >>>> not match the java-classes. >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> On 25.06.14 16:51, Kevin Rushforth wrote: >>>>> I usually add jfxrt.jar to the bootclasspath, but as long as you have >>>>> removed jfxrt.jar from your JDK, classpath will work, too. >>>>> >>>>> -- Kevin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jann Schneider wrote: >>>>>> Hi Felipe! >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks, this are good News :-) >>>>>> Well yesterday i had some issues with the build bc the famous Windows >>>>>> updates Feature screwed things up .. however, i've recently fixed it >>>>>> so i'll try it today. >>>>>> Just another question concerning testing with the "build from >>>>>> sources": i guess i can just run the example apps located in >>>>>> <openjfx>/apps/ ? What would be the proper way to invoke one of them >>>>>> and make sure the proper jfx is loaded? >>>>>> Do i have to add it to the boot cp? Or is it enough to just put it on >>>>>> the classpath? >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards Jann >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2014-06-25 7:17 GMT+02:00, Felipe Heidrich <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Jann, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have re-enabled all the accessibility code in >>>>>>> hg.openjdk.java.net/openjfx/8u-dev/rt >>>>>>> Notes: >>>>>>> I have also released the fix for JAWS (RT-37530). But before testing >>>>>>> text >>>>>>> edits you will need to add a setting to JAWS, see >>>>>>> https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-37609 >>>>>>> You still need the -Djavafx.accessible.force=true on Windows 7, but very >>>>>>> soon that will not be needed anymore, see: >>>>>>> https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-37702 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Internally we did virtually all our testing using Narrator and >>>>>>> VoiceOver, >>>>>>> which are the native screen readers on Windows and MacOSX respectively. >>>>>>> I believe you will be the first to try JAWS and NVDA on Windows 7. >>>>>>> Let me >>>>>>> know how it goes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Felipe >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 23, 2014, at 3:50 AM, Jann Schneider >>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Felipe, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i tried with the latest available EA build, java -version tells me: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> java version "1.8.0_20-ea" >>>>>>>> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_20-ea-b19) >>>>>>>> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 25.20-b19, mixed mode, sharing) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also i used Jaws 15 (-.0.9 i think) and as an alternative NVDA 14.2. >>>>>>>> Hum, not quite sure about the narrator tool: i guess thats the one >>>>>>>> that shipps with windows? Well i can try this too though i'm not >>>>>>>> really used to it :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe it's better to just wait until the code is back and test with >>>>>>>> the current sources.. So we have the same base and know exactly what >>>>>>>> we expect for the tests. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards Jann >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2014-06-21 5:16 GMT+02:00, Felipe Heidrich >>>>>>>> <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> Hi Jann, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That is great that you got to build JavaFX, it will make much >>>>>>>>> easier to >>>>>>>>> test >>>>>>>>> patches and fixes going forward. >>>>>>>>> That said, assuming that you downloaded jdk1.8.0_20 b19 or less, >>>>>>>>> accessibility should have worked. >>>>>>>>> What is the output of java -version ? Can you try Narrator ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I’ll put the code back early next week, either Monday or Tuesday. >>>>>>>>> You can track the progress here: >>>>>>>>> https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-37536 >>>>>>>>> I’ll email the list when the code is out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Felipe >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2014, at 4:00 PM, Jann Schneider >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ok i just rebuild using the 32 bit jdk and this works! >>>>>>>>>> $ gradle clean sdk >>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>> BUILD SUCCESSFUL >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> :-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think i've just installed the 32 bit C++ compilers only. Maybe i >>>>>>>>>> missed a setting in the installer of visual studio .. btw. i build >>>>>>>>>> with the VS 2010 express (as suggested at the wiki). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So i'll wait until the accessibility portion is back in the repo and >>>>>>>>>> try with that included then. Thanks for your help so fahr! >>>>>>>>>> @Steve: could you please send a short message to the list if the >>>>>>>>>> accessibility sources are in the repo again? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> Jann >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2014-06-20 23:50 GMT+02:00, Jann Schneider >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>> Yes looks like i have an issue with looking up cl.exe. >>>>>>>>>>> This was the output when running with --stacktrace: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> * Exception is: >>>>>>>>>>> org.gradle.api.tasks.TaskExecutionException: Execution failed for >>>>>>>>>>> task >>>>>>>>>>> ':fxpackager:buildJavaPackager'. >>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>> Caused by: org.gradle.api.GradleException: Could not call >>>>>>>>>>> NativeCompileTask.compile() on task ':fxpackager:buildJavaPackager' >>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>> Caused by: java.util.concurrent.ExecutionException: >>>>>>>>>>> org.gradle.process.internal.ExecException: A problem occurred >>>>>>>>>>> starting >>>>>>>>>>> process 'command 'C:/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Visual Studio >>>>>>>>>>> 10.0/VC/BIN/amd64/cl.exe'' >>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>> Caused by: java.io.IOException: Cannot run program "C:/Program Files >>>>>>>>>>> (x86)/Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0/VC/BIN/amd64/cl.exe" (in >>>>>>>>>>> directory >>>>>>>>>>> "D:\jann\sandbox\java\openjfx\modules\fxpackager"): CreateProcess >>>>>>>>>>> error=2, Das System kann die angegebene Datei nicht finden >>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>> Caused by: java.io.IOException: CreateProcess error=2, Das System >>>>>>>>>>> kann >>>>>>>>>>> die angegebene Datei nicht finden (file not found) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Actually cl.exe is located at: C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>> Visual >>>>>>>>>>> Studio 10.0\VC\bin - but it looks for ...bin/amd64/cl.exe >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've also tried to run the build from the cygwin terminal and as >>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>> from the visual studio command prompt where i could call cl.exe >>>>>>>>>>> directly .. Always the same result. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is there a parameter to specify where theVS compiler and stuff is >>>>>>>>>>> located? btw. i checked that the %VS100COMNTools% variable is set >>>>>>>>>>> properly. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What else could i check? Thanks in advance :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jann >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2014-06-20 23:30 GMT+02:00, Kevin Rushforth >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>> * What went wrong: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Execution failed for task ':fxpackager:buildJavaPackager'. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Could not call NativeCompileTask.compile() on task >>>>>>>>>>>>> ':fxpackager:buildJavaPackager' >>>>>>>>>>>> When I've seen this in the past it's been related to the compiler >>>>>>>>>>>> install. Do you have VS 2010 SP1 or something else? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jann Schneider wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Well on windows it's always a bit more difficult i guess :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>> After setting up my build environment as described on the wiki i >>>>>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>>>> tried >>>>>>>>>>>>> $ gradle tasks >>>>>>>>>>>>> This works as expected! When running >>>>>>>>>>>>> $ gradle sdk >>>>>>>>>>>>> or just gradle without any target i get the following error: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> FAILURE: Build failed with an exception. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> * What went wrong: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Execution failed for task ':fxpackager:buildJavaPackager'. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could not call NativeCompileTask.compile() on task >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ':fxpackager:buildJavaPackager' >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this a "known issue" and do you know what's going wrong here? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Should i post more "info" or "debug" output, too? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jann >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-06-20 21:58 GMT+02:00, Stephen F Northover >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being non-Unix, Windows is always a pain. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-06-20, 3:42 PM, Kevin Rushforth wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope you have similar success with the Windows build. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jann Schneider wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The build instructions for linux where very good! I was able to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the project without any problems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Jann >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-06-20 19:27 GMT+02:00, Kevin Rushforth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be clear, you will still use the 8u-dev repo at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://hg.openjdk.java.net/openjfx/8u-dev/rt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just that after Monday the repo will "become" the place >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8u40 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work is done. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding the build, it is a bit painful to set up for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too bad as long as you don't need to build WebKit. We would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested in hearing whether the instructions on the Wiki are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sufficient for you to get the build working. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Kevin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen F Northover wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, let us know how you get on with building FX. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOTE: The accessibility code is not there in 8u20 so you will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ensuring that you can build on Windows (there is nothing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> test). The accessibility code will be going back into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8u40 on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monday >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or Tuesday so you'll need to get that release at that time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it instead when it becomes available. It's good to debug the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process though because it can be painful building from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> source. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-06-20, 12:43 PM, Jann Schneider wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @Steven: thx for the links. I'll try to build the openjfx >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the windows 7 notebook and test the sample apps with NVDA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today i tried the latest ea of jdk1.8.0_20 and sample apps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nvda >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 14.2. Unfortunately i was not able to read anything >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> except the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> window >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> title. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just installed the jdk, changed my JAVA_HOME and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> run >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e.g. the ensemble.jar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $ java -jar ensemble.jar -Djavafx.accessible.force=true >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well i'll try it again by means of building javafx from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> source >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post my results back to the list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Jann! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-06-20 14:46 GMT+02:00, Stephen F Northover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Jann! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As soon as the 8u40 repos open, the Accessibility code will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along with the recent fixes for JAWS. Since OpenJFX >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JDK) does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not have nightly builds, unless you want to wait for an EA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8u40 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or 9, you will need to get OpenJFX and build it. This is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best way to work with the team anyway because you can get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are made. EA builds take a while to come out and there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> substitute >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for running on the latest code base. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately due to Microsoft, building OpenJFX is a bit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows. However, it is doable and the build instructions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complete. If they are not (and if you hit any problems), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> please >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back to this list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are the build instructions: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/OpenJFX/Building+OpenJFX >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many committers use an IDE (you don't have to) and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OpenJFX is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supports >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the three major IDE vendors: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/OpenJFX/Using+an+IDE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to working with you, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-06-19, 7:10 PM, Felipe Heidrich wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jann, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately Linux support is not in the plan for 8u40. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 7 is supported and we have recently fixed JAWS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-37530 and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://javafx-jira.kenai.com/browse/RT-37609). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately due to the 8u20 to 8u40 transition the code >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> released yet, but soon. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The majority of our testing was done using Narrator. That >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tested NVDA lastest version on Windows 8 and I didn’t see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> major >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the Mac we tested with VoiceOver. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Felipe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Jann Schneider >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As a blind java developer i'm interessted in testing the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JavaFX and maybe help to find some issues. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just set up my build environment on my ubuntu 14.04 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> checked out the project files as described in the wiki. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also set >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it up on a windows 7 with Jaws 15 and NVDa (don't know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version is) for comparison.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No i am wondering if there are some examples i could try? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards Jann >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>
