On Wed, 22 Jul 2026 11:42:48 GMT, John Hendrikx <[email protected]> wrote:

>> This provides and uses a new implementation of `ExpressionHelper`, called 
>> `ListenerManager` with improved semantics.
>> 
>> See also #837 for a previous attempt which instead of triggering nested 
>> emissions immediately (like this PR and `ExpressionHelper`) would wait until 
>> the current emission finishes and then start a new (non-nested) emission.
>> 
>> # Behavior
>> 
>> |Listener...|ExpressionHelper|ListenerManager|
>> |---|---|---|
>> |Invocation Order|In order they were registered, invalidation listeners 
>> always before change listeners|(unchanged)|
>> |Removal during Notification|All listeners present when notification started 
>> are notified, but excluded for any nested changes|Listeners are removed 
>> immediately regardless of nesting|
>> |Addition during Notification|Only listeners present when notification 
>> started are notified, but included for any nested changes|New listeners are 
>> never called during the current notification regardless of nesting|
>> 
>> ## Nested notifications:
>> 
>> | |ExpressionHelper|ListenerManager|
>> |---|---|---|
>> |Type|Depth first (call stack increases for each nested level)|(same)|
>> |# of Calls|Listeners * Depth (using incorrect old values)|Collapses nested 
>> changes, skipping non-changes|
>> |Vetoing Possible?|No|Yes|
>> |Old Value correctness|Only for listeners called before listeners making 
>> nested changes|Always|
>> 
>> # Performance
>> 
>> |Listener|ExpressionHelper|ListenerManager|
>> |---|---|---|
>> |Addition|Array based, append in empty slot, resize as needed|(same)|
>> |Removal|Array based, shift array, resize as needed|(same)|
>> |Addition during notification|Array is copied, removing collected 
>> WeakListeners in the process|Appended when notification finishes|
>> |Removal during notification|As above|Entry is `null`ed (to avoid moving 
>> elements in array that is being iterated)|
>> |Notification completion with changes|-|Null entries (and collected 
>> WeakListeners) are removed|
>> |Notifying Invalidation Listeners|1 ns each|(same)|
>> |Notifying Change Listeners|1 ns each (*)|2-3 ns each|
>> 
>> (*) a simple for loop is close to optimal, but unfortunately does not 
>> provide correct old values
>> 
>> # Memory Use 
>> 
>> Does not include alignment, and assumes a 32-bit VM or one that is using 
>> compressed oops.
>> 
>> |Listener|ExpressionHelper|ListenerManager|OldValueCaching ListenerManager|
>> |---|---|---|---|
>> |No Listeners|none|none|none|
>> |Single InvalidationListener|16 bytes overhead|none|none|
>> |Single ChangeListener|20 bytes overhead|none|16 bytes overhe...
>
> John Hendrikx has updated the pull request incrementally with one additional 
> commit since the last revision:
> 
>   Fix logic error, luckily 5000 tests caught it

> > The following behaviors are now specified:
> > 
> > ...
> > * `oldValue` is documented as the preceding observed value, although this 
> > doesn't allow for it being the initial value when the listener is first 
> > notified; additionally, setting a value that is "equals" but not "==" to 
> > the previous will suppress that notification, but cause a subsequent 
> > notification to use the newer of the two equal-but-not-same objects (this 
> > is a preexisting inconsistency that affects the new spec).
> 
> I think since we've always defined change listeners in terms of `equals` (we 
> don't fire if things are `equals`) this is not really inconsistent.

Agreed.

> Whether the old value reported is the oldest `==` variant or the newest `==` 
> variant should not matter

I think you mean the oldest `equals` variant vs the newest `equals` variant 
(references that are `==` are indistinguishable, by definition). I agree that 
it doesn't really matter. The only reason I brought this up is to keep in mind 
when reviewing the final docs. As long as the docs give some wiggle room on 
this, we are fine.

> > * Later change listeners are documented as seeing changes made by earlier 
> > change listeners (including the ability to veto, which prevents later 
> > listeners from seeing intermediate values)
> > * The behavior of adding and removing change listeners during notification
> > 
> > Implied, but not specified:
> > 
> > * A ChangeListener will never be called with `oldValue` equal to `newValue` 
> > (should this be made explicit?)
> 
> We could do that, but that does break for the observable list/map/sets which 
> don't truly provide old values (arguably, they should never have allowed 
> change listeners, only their specific variants and invalidation listeners)

Yes, good point. So we could either leave it implied, or specify that it 
doesn't apply to observable collections.

> > Most of the above behaviors of a ChangeListener only apply to 
> > ObservableValueBase and other JavaFX properties and bindings that were 
> > migrated to use the new listener manager implementation (not, for example, 
> > JavaBeanObjectProperty, collection property classes, such as ListProperty, 
> > and collection bindings, such as ListBinding). One solution would be to 
> > move the guarantees to ObservableValue and list the classes that apply 
> > those guarantees, perhaps in an @implNote.
> 
> Agreed.

That seems best.

> > * invalidation listeners are called before change listeners
> 
> We could specify this, as changing this now or in the future would likely 
> cause subtle breakage in all non-trivial current FX applications. It is very 
> easy to rely on this ordering accidentally.
> 
> > * within each group (invalidation, change), the listeners are called in the 
> > order they were registered
> 
> Same as above; we could specify this as changing it now or later is likely to 
> subtly break existing applications. In this case it also aligns with the veto 
> behavior which would be hard to do if these lists were unordered.

Yes, I like the idea of specifying both of the above, since, as you say, many 
applications would break if either of these changed.


> > * depth-first nested notification
> 
> This is I think the only choice (as breadth first would require delaying 
> notifications somehow which may surprise the user as `getValue` may be ahead 
> of what was notified so far). So I guess we can specify it 
> (`ExpressionHelper` was the same, and I tried a breadth first approach and it 
> didn't seem viable as an alternative).

OK.

> > * For nested notifications
> >   
> >   * only those change listeners and invalidation listeners that have 
> > already been notified will be notified again
> >   * later change listeners receive a collapsed notification that omits 
> > intermediate values
> 
> I think this is part of the change listener docs, but we'd need to add it to 
> the invalidation listener docs as well. The 2nd one is a consequence of the 
> guarantees we make for change listeners (old value = previous new value AND 
> getValue showing what was provided as new value). Not sure if we need to call 
> that out explicitly.

I am fine with not specifying the 2nd.

> > * Addition / removal behavior of invalidation listeners
> 
> This is specified for add/remove change listeners, but should also be 
> specified for invalidation listeners. I'll fix it.

Good.

> > * The non-convergence warning
> 
> We could mention it, but keep it unspecified "...may log a warning...", best 
> effort like concurrent modification exception.

I also think this is fine not to specify it in the docs. You can mention it in 
the CSR.

> I think all these spec changes can be done as part of this PR.

Great.

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PR Comment: https://git.openjdk.org/jfx/pull/1081#issuecomment-5663695214

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