If we're changing anything, I also recommend keeping the default to save the Full service file but have a Settings option to make Lite the default. This keeps behavior consistent and predictable, but offers additional options for those who want them. All the benefits, none of the drawbacks. (And I would be a Lite user myself.)
On Nov 30, 2017 1:43 PM, "Tim and Alison Bentley" <[email protected]> wrote: > Full packaging has been there since 1.x days and should be the default. > > I introduced lite for the specific use case where we had a show > consisting of images, videos and music all running from OpenLP and 2 > minutes to open or save it was a real pain. > It was not meant to be for transport of services just to make opening > "Show Services" quicker. > > > Tim > > On 30 November 2017 at 18:12, David Warnock <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Well, I'm relieved that the full package is not going to disappear. >> However, none of the solutions seem intuitive to me ("File/Save" and >> "File/Save As" are universal and we shouldn't change that. What happens to >> Ctrl+S). They all have the potential to create lots more support tickets >> (missing content) for a problem I have not experienced as a problem (slow >> saves). >> >> I'd rather an option on an obscure advanced settings dialog "Switch to >> lite (incomplete) save for new services" [ ] ;-) >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> On 30 November 2017 at 17:43, Christopher Hill <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Suggest you change the ‘File’ menu options to: >>> >>> ‘Save service (lite)’ >>> ‘Save service (full)’ - saves with full files >>> >>> I would find it helpful to do a ‘lite’ save. Putting it top highlights >>> that it might be helpful in some cases. Calling the second option ‘full’ >>> will stand out and be attractive to less confident users who naturally want >>> to be ‘sure it will work’. That way you achieve both goals. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> Chris >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 30 Nov 2017, at 16:59, Adam Oellermann <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> I agree with Dave. The default setting being as it is means that less >>> computer-savvy worship leaders still send me useful orders of service, even >>> if they've added a new song or image. Making this not the default, even if >>> it was still a separate option on the file menu, would cause us a lot of >>> frustration and undermine the perception of OpenLP as a solution that 'just >>> works'. You only have to wreck one service before users will want to >>> switch. Disk space is cheap these days, and bandwidth is plentiful - so my >>> plea is to leave the defaults as they are, with great thanksgiving for the >>> foresight of the developers who set it up this way. >>> >>> Grace and peace >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> On 30/11/17 11:40, David Warnock wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> We have a team of about 6 people who prepare services. All services are >>> always prepared at their homes and this is a key selling point for OpenLP. >>> >>> Please do not change this behaviour! I use a team whose computer skills >>> would not be up to copying files around manually. The chances of ending up >>> without a complete service would be high. We do not have all the custom >>> slides, images or videos on the Church Computer. >>> >>> So again please don't change this. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> On 30 November 2017 at 08:43, Philip Ridout <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I have been looking at how OpenLP saves and loads its service files as >>>> part of my pathlib and cross platform file handling refactors. I would like >>>> to make a few changes. >>>> >>>> Currently: >>>> OpenLP defaults to packing all the service item files in to a zip file, >>>> the actual service is saved as a json in a file that is also packaged. >>>> There is an option of saving a 'lite' service, which is just the json file >>>> zipped. >>>> >>>> I have the following issues with the current system: >>>> The default save method (packaged) is very slow if lots of / large >>>> files are used. >>>> Packaging the json file of a 'lite' service in to a zip file seems a >>>> bit pointless. >>>> Its not very obvious that there is a choice between packaged and light >>>> >>>> My proposed solution: >>>> Packaging files in a zip file is great if somebody prepares a service >>>> at home. However, in my experience (10 years) this has never happened! Lets >>>> make the 'lite' option the default, this would make OpenLP faster saving >>>> files which are not going to be transported. >>>> Lets make the option to package a service file more visible, and place >>>> a separate menu item for it next to save in the file menu. >>>> When saving a 'lite' service, lets just save the json in a text file >>>> and not worry about zipping it up. While were at it, it might make sense to >>>> change the extension. '.olp'? >>>> >>>> Compatability: >>>> OpenLP 3.0 will continue to be able to open 'packaged' and 'lite' files >>>> saved in 2.2 and later. >>>> Packaged files saved with 3.0 will be able to be opened in 2.4.x, The >>>> 'new lite' (.olp?) files will not. >>>> Some users may be caught out by the change to saving a lite file by >>>> default, so when they use the save as dialog we could display a message box >>>> about the changes. >>>> >>>> Are you guys happy with my proposal? Any other ideas / suggestions? >>>> >>>> God Bless, >>>> Phill >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> openlp-dev mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.openlp.io/mailman/listinfo/openlp-dev >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dave Warnock: http://42.blogs.warnock.me.uk >>> Cycling Blog: http://42bikes.warnock.me.uk >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> openlp-dev mailing >>> [email protected]https://lists.openlp.io/mailman/listinfo/openlp-dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> openlp-dev mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openlp.io/mailman/listinfo/openlp-dev >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> openlp-dev mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openlp.io/mailman/listinfo/openlp-dev >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Dave Warnock: http://42.blogs.warnock.me.uk >> Cycling Blog: http://42bikes.warnock.me.uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> openlp-dev mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openlp.io/mailman/listinfo/openlp-dev >> >> > > > -- > Tim and Alison Bentley > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > openlp-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openlp.io/mailman/listinfo/openlp-dev > >
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