you did checkout latest red5 + latest openmeetings and compiled both?
And then do the normal installation sequence?

sebastian

2008/10/29 smoeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>
> okeydokey,
>
> same error - new stack :
>
> [ERROR] [pool-4-thread-16] org.red5.server.service.ServiceInvoker -
> Service invocation error
> java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException
>         at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
>        at
> sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:
> 39)
>        at
>
> sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:
> 25)
>        at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597)
>        at
> org.red5.server.service.ServiceInvoker.invoke(ServiceInvoker.java:201)
>        at
> org.red5.server.service.ServiceInvoker.invoke(ServiceInvoker.java:119)
>        at
> org.red5.server.net.rtmp.RTMPHandler.invokeCall(RTMPHandler.java:154)
>        at
> org.red5.server.net.rtmp.RTMPHandler.onInvoke(RTMPHandler.java:405)
>        at
>
> org.red5.server.net.rtmp.BaseRTMPHandler.messageReceived(BaseRTMPHandler.java:
> 146)
>        at
>
> org.red5.server.net.rtmp.RTMPMinaIoHandler.messageReceived(RTMPMinaIoHandler.java:
> 130)
>        at org.apache.mina.common.support.AbstractIoFilterChain
> $TailFilter.messageReceived(AbstractIoFilterChain.java:570)
>        at
>
> org.apache.mina.common.support.AbstractIoFilterChain.callNextMessageReceived(AbstractIoFilterChain.java:
> 299)
>        at org.apache.mina.common.support.AbstractIoFilterChain.access
> $1100(AbstractIoFilterChain.java:53)
>        at org.apache.mina.common.support.AbstractIoFilterChain
> $EntryImpl$1.messageReceived(AbstractIoFilterChain.java:648)
>        at
>
> org.apache.mina.filter.executor.ExecutorFilter.processEvent(ExecutorFilter.java:
> 220)
>        at org.apache.mina.filter.executor.ExecutorFilter
> $ProcessEventsRunnable.run(ExecutorFilter.java:264)
>         at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor
> $Worker.runTask(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:885)
>        at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor
> $Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:907)
>        at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
> Caused by: java.lang.NoSuchMethodError:
> org.red5.server.api.IScope.getConnections()Ljava/util/Iterator;
>        at org.openmeetings.app.remote.MainService.loginUser(Unknown
> Source)
>        ... 19 common frames omitted
> [DEBUG] [pool-4-thread-16] org.openmeetings.app.remote.Application -
> roomDisconnect: 10.136.103.104 Client: 0 0
> [DEBUG] [pool-4-thread-16] org.openmeetings.app.remote.Application -
> roomLeave 0 0 /hibernate hibernate
> [DEBUG] [pool-4-thread-16] org.openmeetings.app.remote.Application -
> ##### roomLeave :. 0
> [DEBUG] [pool-4-thread-16] org.openmeetings.app.remote.Application -
> removing USername  Sun Oct 26 06:28:05 CET 2008 streamid: 0
> [DEBUG] [pool-4-thread-16] org.openmeetings.app.remote.Application -
> roomLeave rcpList size: 0
> [DEBUG] [pool-4-thread-16] org.openmeetings.app.remote.PollService -
> clearRoomPollList: null
> [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-1] org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11NioProtocol
> - Register [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> count=1
> [INFO] [http-8088-exec-4] org.red5.server.jmx.JMXFactory - Object
> name: org.red5.server:type=Client,id=1
> [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.openmeetings.app.remote.Application -
> appConnect RTMPTConnection from 10.136.110.53 : 4844 to
> 10.136.103.104:8088 (in: 3502 out 3073 ) 1
> [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.openmeetings.app.remote.Application -
> roomConnect    : 10.136.103.104:8088 Client: 1 1
> [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.openmeetings.app.remote.Application -
> Client connected xmlcrmred5 jar 1 conn Client: 1
> [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.openmeetings.app.remote.Application -
> Setting stream xmlcrmred5 xmlcrmred5 id: 2
> [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4]
> org.openmeetings.utils.crypt.ManageCryptStyle - getInstanceOfCrypt:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4]
> org.openmeetings.utils.crypt.ManageCryptStyle - getInstanceOfCrypt:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4]
> org.openmeetings.utils.crypt.ManageCryptStyle -
> configKeyCryptClassName:
> org.openmeetings.utils.crypt.MD5Implementation
> [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.openmeetings.app.remote.Application -
> ##### : 1
> [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.openmeetings.app.remote.Application -
> Current clients in this room: 0
> [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.openmeetings.app.remote.Application -
> This client is not the moderator1
> [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-5] org.openmeetings.app.remote.Application -
> Received result null for setId
> [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-1]
> org.openmeetings.utils.crypt.ManageCryptStyle - getInstanceOfCrypt:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-1]
> org.openmeetings.utils.crypt.ManageCryptStyle - getInstanceOfCrypt:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-1]
> org.openmeetings.utils.crypt.ManageCryptStyle -
> configKeyCryptClassName:
> org.openmeetings.utils.crypt.MD5Implementation
> [ERROR] [http-8088-exec-3]
> org.openmeetings.app.data.conference.Roommanagement -
> [getAllRoomTypes]
> java.lang.NullPointerException
>        at
> org.openmeetings.app.data.basic.AuthLevelmanagement.checkAdminLevel(Unknown
> Source)
>        at
> org.openmeetings.app.data.conference.Roommanagement.getAllRoomTypes(Unknown
> Source)
>        at
> org.openmeetings.app.remote.ConferenceService.getRoomTypes(Unknown
> Source)
>        at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
>        at
> sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:
> 39)
>        at
>
> sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:
> 25)
>        at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597)
>        at
> org.red5.server.service.ServiceInvoker.invoke(ServiceInvoker.java:201)
>        at
> org.red5.server.service.ServiceInvoker.invoke(ServiceInvoker.java:119)
>        at
> org.red5.server.net.rtmp.RTMPHandler.invokeCall(RTMPHandler.java:154)
>        at
> org.red5.server.net.rtmp.RTMPHandler.onInvoke(RTMPHandler.java:405)
>        at
>
> org.red5.server.net.rtmp.BaseRTMPHandler.messageReceived(BaseRTMPHandler.java:
> 146)
>        at
> org.red5.server.net.rtmpt.RTMPTHandler.messageReceived(RTMPTHandler.java:
> 123)
>        at
> org.red5.server.net.rtmpt.RTMPTServlet.handleSend(RTMPTServlet.java:
> 383)
>        at
> org.red5.server.net.rtmpt.RTMPTServlet.service(RTMPTServlet.java:465)
>        at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:
> 820)
>         at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor98.invoke(Unknown
> Source)
>        at
>
> sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:
> 25)
>        at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597)
>        at org.apache.catalina.security.SecurityUtil
> $1.run(SecurityUtil.java:244)
>        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
>        at javax.security.auth.Subject.doAsPrivileged(Subject.java:
> 517)
>        at
> org.apache.catalina.security.SecurityUtil.execute(SecurityUtil.java:
> 276)
>        at
> org.apache.catalina.security.SecurityUtil.doAsPrivilege(SecurityUtil.java:
> 162)
>        at
>
> org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:
> 283)
>        at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.access
> $000(ApplicationFilterChain.java:56)
>        at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain
> $1.run(ApplicationFilterChain.java:189)
>        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
>        at
>
> org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:
> 185)
>        at
>
> org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardWrapperValve.java:
> 233)
>        at
>
> org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardContextValve.java:
> 191)
>        at
>
> org.apache.catalina.authenticator.AuthenticatorBase.invoke(AuthenticatorBase.java:
> 433)
>        at
> org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHostValve.java:
> 128)
>        at
> org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReportValve.java:
> 102)
>        at
>
> org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEngineValve.java:
> 109)
>        at
> org.apache.catalina.connector.CoyoteAdapter.service(CoyoteAdapter.java:
> 286)
>        at
>
> org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11NioProcessor.process(Http11NioProcessor.java:
> 880)
>        at org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11NioProtocol
> $Http11ConnectionHandler.process(Http11NioProtocol.java:719)
>        at org.apache.tomcat.util.net.NioEndpoint
> $SocketProcessor.run(NioEndpoint.java:2081)
>        at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor
> $Worker.runTask(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:885)
>        at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor
> $Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:907)
>        at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
> [ERROR] [http-8088-exec-2]
> org.openmeetings.app.data.user.Usermanagement - [getUser] Error: No
> USER_ID given
> [ERROR] [http-8088-exec-4] org.openmeetings.app.remote.MainService -
> [getNavi]
> java.lang.NullPointerException
>        at org.openmeetings.app.remote.MainService.getNavi(Unknown
> Source)
>        at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
>        at
> sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:
> 39)
>        at
>
> sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:
> 25)
>        at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597)
>        at
> org.red5.server.service.ServiceInvoker.invoke(ServiceInvoker.java:201)
>        at
> org.red5.server.service.ServiceInvoker.invoke(ServiceInvoker.java:119)
>        at
> org.red5.server.net.rtmp.RTMPHandler.invokeCall(RTMPHandler.java:154)
>        at
> org.red5.server.net.rtmp.RTMPHandler.onInvoke(RTMPHandler.java:405)
>        at
>
> org.red5.server.net.rtmp.BaseRTMPHandler.messageReceived(BaseRTMPHandler.java:
> 146)
>        at
> org.red5.server.net.rtmpt.RTMPTHandler.messageReceived(RTMPTHandler.java:
> 123)
>        at
> org.red5.server.net.rtmpt.RTMPTServlet.handleSend(RTMPTServlet.java:
> 383)
>        at
> org.red5.server.net.rtmpt.RTMPTServlet.service(RTMPTServlet.java:465)
>        at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:
> 820)
>         at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor98.invoke(Unknown
> Source)
>        at
>
> sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:
> 25)
>        at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597)
>        at org.apache.catalina.security.SecurityUtil
> $1.run(SecurityUtil.java:244)
>        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
>        at javax.security.auth.Subject.doAsPrivileged(Subject.java:
> 517)
>        at
> org.apache.catalina.security.SecurityUtil.execute(SecurityUtil.java:
> 276)
>        at
> org.apache.catalina.security.SecurityUtil.doAsPrivilege(SecurityUtil.java:
> 162)
>        at
>
> org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:
> 283)
>        at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.access
> $000(ApplicationFilterChain.java:56)
>        at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain
> $1.run(ApplicationFilterChain.java:189)
>        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
>        at
>
> org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilterChain.java:
> 185)
>        at
>
> org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardWrapperValve.java:
> 233)
>        at
>
> org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardContextValve.java:
> 191)
>        at
>
> org.apache.catalina.authenticator.AuthenticatorBase.invoke(AuthenticatorBase.java:
> 433)
>        at
> org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHostValve.java:
> 128)
>        at
> org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReportValve.java:
> 102)
>        at
>
> org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEngineValve.java:
> 109)
>        at
> org.apache.catalina.connector.CoyoteAdapter.service(CoyoteAdapter.java:
> 286)
>        at
>
> org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11NioProcessor.process(Http11NioProcessor.java:
> 880)
>        at org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11NioProtocol
> $Http11ConnectionHandler.process(Http11NioProtocol.java:719)
>        at org.apache.tomcat.util.net.NioEndpoint
> $SocketProcessor.run(NioEndpoint.java:2081)
>        at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor
> $Worker.runTask(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:885)
>        at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor
> $Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:907)
>        at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
>
> On 29 Okt., 10:25, "Sebastian Wagner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > did you see the instructions in the Description about how to fix the
> logging
> > / Extending the logback.xml to reduce the Logging statements?
> >
> > sebastian
> >
> > 2008/10/29 smoeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > hi there,
> >
> > > i installed openmeetings (actual svn - version) on red5 (actual svn
> > > release) in combination with the yesterdays release of openlaszlo 4.2.
> >
> > > After running the installationservlet i tried to call the main.lzx and
> > > got the following Exception :
> >
> > > [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.hibernate.jdbc.ConnectionManager -
> > > aggressively releasing JDBC connection
> > > [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.hibernate.impl.SessionImpl - opened
> > > session at timestamp: 12249980095
> > > [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.hibernate.transaction.JDBCTransaction -
> > > begin
> > > [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.hibernate.jdbc.ConnectionManager -
> > > opening JDBC connection
> > > [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.hibernate.transaction.JDBCTransaction -
> > > current autocommit status: false
> > > [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.hibernate.jdbc.AbstractBatcher - about
> > > to open PreparedStatement (open PreparedStatements: 0, globally: 0)
> > > [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.hibernate.SQL - select users0_.user_id
> > > as user1_27_, users0_.adresses_id as adresses2_27_, users0_.age as
> > > age27_, users0_.availible as availible27_, users0_.firstname as
> > > firstname27_, users0_.lastlogin as lastlogin27_, users0_.lastname as
> > > lastname27_, users0_.lasttrans as lasttrans27_, users0_.level_id as
> > > level9_27_, users0_.login as login27_, users0_.password as
> > > password27_, users0_.regdate as regdate27_, users0_.status as
> > > status27_, users0_.title_id as title14_27_, users0_.starttime as
> > > starttime27_, users0_.updatetime as updatetime27_, users0_.deleted as
> > > deleted27_, users0_.pictureuri as pictureuri27_, users0_.language_id
> > > as language19_27_, users0_.resethash as resethash27_ from users
> > > users0_ where users0_.user_id=? and users0_.deleted<>'true'
> > > [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.hibernate.jdbc.AbstractBatcher - about
> > > to open ResultSet (open ResultSets: 0, globally: 0)
> > > [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.hibernate.jdbc.AbstractBatcher - about
> > > to close ResultSet (open ResultSets: 1, globally: 1)
> > > [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.hibernate.jdbc.AbstractBatcher - about
> > > to close PreparedStatement (open PreparedStatements: 1, globally: 1)
> > > [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4]
> > > org.hibernate.engine.StatefulPersistenceContext - initializing non-
> > > lazy collections
> > > [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.hibernate.transaction.JDBCTransaction -
> > > commit
> > > [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.hibernate.transaction.JDBCTransaction -
> > > committed JDBC Connection
> > > [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.hibernate.jdbc.ConnectionManager -
> > > aggressively releasing JDBC connection
> > > [DEBUG] [http-8088-exec-4] org.hibernate.jdbc.ConnectionManager -
> > > releasing JDBC connection [ (open PreparedStatements: 0, globally: 0)
> > > (open ResultSets: 0, globally: 0)]
> > > [ERROR] [http-8088-exec-4] org.openmeetings.app.remote.MainService -
> > > [getNavi]
> > > java.lang.NullPointerException
> > >  at org.openmeetings.app.remote.MainService.getNavi(Unknown Source)
> > >  at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
> > >  at
> > >
> sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:
> > > 39)
> > >  at
> >
> > >
> sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImp­l.java:
> > > 25)
> > >  at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597)
> > >  at org.red5.server.service.ServiceInvoker.invoke(ServiceInvoker.java:
> > > 201)
> > >  at org.red5.server.service.ServiceInvoker.invoke(ServiceInvoker.java:
> > > 119)
> > >  at org.red5.server.net.rtmp.RTMPHandler.invokeCall(RTMPHandler.java:
> > > 154)
> > >  at org.red5.server.net.rtmp.RTMPHandler.onInvoke(RTMPHandler.java:
> > > 405)
> > >  at
> >
> > >
> org.red5.server.net.rtmp.BaseRTMPHandler.messageReceived(BaseRTMPHandler.ja­va:
> > > 146)
> > >  at
> > >
> org.red5.server.net.rtmpt.RTMPTHandler.messageReceived(RTMPTHandler.java:
> > > 123)
> > >  at
> > > org.red5.server.net.rtmpt.RTMPTServlet.handleSend(RTMPTServlet.java:
> > > 383)
> > >  at org.red5.server.net.rtmpt.RTMPTServlet.service(RTMPTServlet.java:
> > > 465)
> > >  at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:820)
> > >  at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor268.invoke(Unknown Source)
> > >  at
> >
> > >
> sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImp­l.java:
> > > 25)
> > >  at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:597)
> > >  at org.apache.catalina.security.SecurityUtil$1.run(SecurityUtil.java:
> > > 244)
> > >  at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
> > >  at javax.security.auth.Subject.doAsPrivileged(Subject.java:517)
> > >  at
> > > org.apache.catalina.security.SecurityUtil.execute(SecurityUtil.java:
> > > 276)
> > >  at
> > >
> org.apache.catalina.security.SecurityUtil.doAsPrivilege(SecurityUtil.java:
> > > 162)
> > >  at
> >
> > >
> org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.internalDoFilter(Applicatio­nFilterChain.java:
> > > 283)
> > >  at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.access
> > > $000(ApplicationFilterChain.java:56)
> > >  at org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain
> > > $1.run(ApplicationFilterChain.java:189)
> > >  at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
> > >  at
> >
> > >
> org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationFilterChain.doFilter(ApplicationFilterC­hain.java:
> > > 185)
> > >  at
> >
> > >
> org.apache.catalina.core.StandardWrapperValve.invoke(StandardWrapperValve.j­ava:
> > > 233)
> > >  at
> >
> > >
> org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContextValve.invoke(StandardContextValve.j­ava:
> > > 191)
> > >  at
> >
> > >
> org.apache.catalina.authenticator.AuthenticatorBase.invoke(AuthenticatorBas­e.java:
> > > 433)
> > >  at
> > >
> org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostValve.invoke(StandardHostValve.java:
> > > 128)
> > >  at
> > >
> org.apache.catalina.valves.ErrorReportValve.invoke(ErrorReportValve.java:
> > > 102)
> > >  at
> >
> > >
> org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngineValve.invoke(StandardEngineValve.jav­a:
> > > 109)
> > >  at
> > > org.apache.catalina.connector.CoyoteAdapter.service(CoyoteAdapter.java:
> > > 286)
> > >  at
> >
> > >
> org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11NioProcessor.process(Http11NioProcessor.java­:
> > > 880)
> > >  at org.apache.coyote.http11.Http11NioProtocol
> > > $Http11ConnectionHandler.process(Http11NioProtocol.java:719)
> > >  at org.apache.tomcat.util.net.NioEndpoint
> > > $SocketProcessor.run(NioEndpoint.java:2081)
> > >  at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor
> > > $Worker.runTask(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:885)
> > >  at java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor
> > > $Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:907)
> > >  at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
> >
> > > thnx in advance for your help!
> >
> > > Smoeker
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian
> Wagnerhttp://www.webbase-design.dehttp://openmeetings.googlecode.comhttp://
> www.laszlo-forum.de
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Zitierten Text ausblenden -
> >
> > - Zitierten Text anzeigen -
> >
>


-- 
Sebastian Wagner
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://openmeetings.googlecode.com
http://www.laszlo-forum.de
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