SyncML is a very good solution for the most part. Apple should support SyncML out of the box with iSync. We'll have to develop a *.plist xml document to handle specifics of the transfer, and maybe a bash script for installation, but that should be it.

Dealing with windows will be a bit more of a pain. I'm pretty sure no implementation of Outlook or Outlook Express support SyncML out of the box. They do have (limited) support for vCard and iCal formats for individual file importing/exporting. Windows users could always install Thunderbird and SyncML extensions, although I think Mozilla Calendar has the same issues as outlook regarding calendar syncs. Maybe if the new iTunes can sync phones other than the iPhone...

I think funambol (http://www.funambol.com/opensource/project/subsystems.html) has open source clients & plugins that could be used to help people running Windows. My suggestion is for those people to buy a Mac ;-) .


Derick Jones wrote:

I have no idea how to program and I just "got" into linux because I like the whole idea, but as windows user for most of my life im so used to point and click and it happens. Honestly if you want to target this to average people that's how it has to be. I mean I installed ubuntu and it toke me like 3-4 hours of research just to get my gigabit Ethernet to work because it was incompatible with the install. The average person isn't going to have that kind of time to figure out how to sync there neo to their Windows PC. I love this whole idea of freedom and im sure most people do. But if they don't get how it works how will they use it? Honestly im devoting a lot of my time into reading about linux and openmoko simply because I want to learn how to be free and most people don't know how to even install something in linux. So unless there's some kind of installer that does everything for them its going to be a big obstacle to over come. Im just an average user and I love this because your letting me say what I think even though you have know Idea who I am and I thank you for that freedom!

Derick Jones

Cant wait to get my Neo so that I may be very frustrated, but gain so much knowledge!

*From:* Jeff Andros [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent:* Thursday, July 12, 2007 4:54 PM
*To:* Mark
*Cc:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: Windows Client Software: The hard truth.

It's not anywhere near that hard. since we've got a syncML client on the phone (or at least we will... that's definately a block issue) all we need is a syncml program for the desktop side. tossing 'windows syncml -"windows mobile"' into google gives back results in job-lot quantities... that's about as far as I got... I'm not really feeling like evaluating them.

That said, we probably want to have either an official branded desktop solution (the more crossplatform the better) or at least a recommended software choice. I'm sure there is a open source sync program we could talk to about some kind of partnership. Not having an official "this will work with your computer" program would probably be a pretty bad blow to getting this out to Sean's dad(makes people nervous). While most open source programs have really great extension mechanisms, there are a lot of people who don't want to take the time to set any of that up (how many people do you know who run firefox stone stock?). It would be cool to have a list of desktop software options up on the wiki, but we definitely

Anyways, I'm really talking out my ear, since I haven't looked at any of the included apps yet either(are there any yet?... are we just using the desktop program of your choice?).
--Jeff

On 7/12/07, *Mark* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

I have to agree; when the phone hits mass availability, the average
user (assuming mass adoption) will be in windows.  That would
effectively make it just another phone to them.  I guess I just
assumed the linux apps were being written to be easily portable when
the time comes.

I haven't looked at the Linux host apps at all , but as long as they
are gtk based it might not be too painful.  We might also bundle it
with the required cygwin dlls, but personally I hate that solution.
There may also need to be some driver work, does anyone know if it
will show up as a mass storage device to windows?




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Jeff
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