On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 11:06 +0100, Øyvind Harboe wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Zach Welch <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 10:36 +0100, Øyvind Harboe wrote:
> >> >> > No one was talking about linking with GDB.  That's just insane. ;)
> >> >> > libbfd is part of binutils.  But again it should be_optional.
> >> >>
> >> >> OK. Explain the benefit of complicating OpenOCD vs. adding a script
> >> >> to launch OpenOCD via GDB then...
> >> >
> >> > Seriously... you've never had a Heisenbug either?  Am I the only one
> >> > that gets segfaults and doesn't _want_ to have to debug them?  Really?
> >>
> >> You're not answering the question:
> >
> > You're not seeing my point.
> >
> >> How is your solution better than writing a script "openocd" that launches
> >> openocd from GDB by default?
> >
> > You want to _force_ me to _always_ run GDB, to catch random segfaults?
> 
> Explain what's so bad about that, at least for non-releases.

Again, you have missed the point.  This is about users and our releases.
I cannot make that point more clearly.  It is not about developers who
are willing to use GDB.  It's about users who aren't.

> A bt + dumping local variables would be superior to your code
> in terms of information provided, right?

But not in usability.  Right?

> > Please tell me (justly) I'm wrong.
> 
> I have not tried your patches, I assume they work and do what
> you describe.
> 
> I'm not *against* your patches, I'm just trying to tie up some loose
> ends in alternatives we don't seem to have considered yet.

There really is no alternative that provides this level of usability, or
I would not have bothered to write this code.

--Z

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