Andreas,

Thank you for verifying that Microsoft's opinion that the card
industry is striving for "card-edge compatibility" making you only
need a single Microsoft-supplied driver, is completely unfounded!

Although you didn't mention it, card initialization is the thing
that really makes things difficult for customers.  FIPS201/PIV
does not even specify that part and we surely understand why :-)

I'm still quite uncertain on what to emulate in order to get a
middleware-free token.  CCID yes, but above that level things
looks much more unclear.

Regards,
Anders

continuing the slow but not ceased development of a token that the
card industry could never do...


Andreas Jellinghaus wrote:
> Am Freitag 16 April 2010 09:38:16 schrieb Anders Rundgren:
>> If you wanted to provide a USB PKI token that would give the user maximum
>> flexibility it seems that the device should support CCID.
>>
>> 1. As I understand,CCID only provides the basic communication and does not
>>    address higher level issues such as PKI, right?
> 
> CCID is "reader level" i.e. how to talk to the card, make sure that
> both small and large data blocks can be transfered, communication
> speed, detecting and resetting cards, and - if the reader has a pinpad -
> then also pinpad operations.
> 
> my view on this issue is this: 
> if you buy a smart card reader or usb crypto token, make sure it works
> perfectly with the original microsoft CCID driver, and the open source
> libccid driver for linux. if the device needs its own driver instead
> or has any problem with those standard drivers, it is not worth the
> hazzle and should be avoided.
> 
> (not comment on mac os X, as apple seems to be slow in using the
> lastest libccid, and maybe does strange modifications on it...)
> 
>> 2. Would a token that emulates FIPS201 and CCID be usable in most
>>    systems as is or is there another emulation that would be better?
> no idea what FIPS201 is.
> 
>> 3. You would need to "hijack" somebody else ATR in order to emulate
>>    in a (for the user) hassle-free way?
>>
>> 4. Other question: CCID allows you to exchange arbitrary data between
>>    the token and the host, right?
> 
> with pcsc subsystem and a driver for it, you can ignore the details
> how the device it attached to the pc (usb / serial / build-in), and
> what vendor and product it is, as all that is solved. you can now
> focus on the card.
> 
> each card of course is different. it starts with the ATR and then
> you have all the card capabilities, the commands, the security model,
> and unique features.
> 
> 
> hard disks are great - you can replace them, and they only differ
> with speed and storage size and maybe seek time, but to the pc
> they all look the same, and that is great - buy a new one, copy
> the data, replace the old, done.
> 
> in the smart card world everyone is doing their own thing, trying
> to be different, implements different commands, different profiles,
> different algorithms, different security modules, different features
> and so on. that prevents unification and keeps the prices high.
> 
> of course there is javacard, but it is expensive due to the patent
> fees, and it doesn't help much, as everyone implements different applets
> on top of it, so the result is different again.
> 
> if you build a new device, and can implement any atr and command set etc.
> that you want, you could clone some well known product, but that would
> most likely get you into copyright issues, even if only the interface
> was copied. (I'm no lawyer, so no idea here.)
> 
> but maybe iso 7816-* is now good enough to code those commands the
> iso spec has for a full working card? I'm no expert on the later
> parts, as each card I know is different from them anyway.
> 
> Regards, Andreas
> 

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