Marcus Lindblom wrote: >Allen Bierbaum wrote: > > >>Marcus Lindblom wrote: >> >> >>>This is one big e-mail. I'm not sure how to begin answering it. From the >>>top of my head: >>> >>>* The roadmap needs to be there. At least something that we can look at >>>and comment on. Direction for effort is also a good point in this. >>> >>>* A 1.8 end-game list needs to be made, so we know what needs to be done >>>to get it released. Then work like mad on that. (There is work being >>>done on 2.0 everyday, I'd prefer finishing 1.8 first.) What is left? >>> >>> >>I don't know. But I did create a page to start listing the things here: >>http://opensg.vrsource.org/trac/wiki/Planning1_8release >> >> > >Why not directly on >http://opensg.vrsource.org/trac/milestone/1.8%20Release ? Or did you >plan for a bigger page? > >I think we ought to be careful about creating pages with 2-3 lines of >text on them. That won't be efficient. It's so easy to refactor a wiki >that we probably should try to use the obvious places at first and then >move stuff out when it's too much, rather than ending up with a sparse >site where it's hard to get a good overview. > >Again, I like the trac roadmap's level of info. >See: http://trac.edgewall.org/roadmap > > The roadmap page has a limit on who can edit it and it doesn't edit as a "full" wiki page. We can move it there if we want. I just thought we would want to allow everyone to edit the page and contribute ideas and that we may need a more extensive page then the few lines they seem to want there.
> > >>>* As said, we will use 1.8 for the current project (until march next >>>year), then probably switch to 2.0 if it is stable enough. We need to >>>know the status of 2.0 to know when to make the switch (and thus, if we >>>need/can contribute to make things happen faster). >>> >>> >>It is good to hear that you are planning to switch. I think we are >>going to switch within the next couple of months. There are many things >>that need ported over to 2.0, but the code itself seems pretty stable to me. >> >> > >Yeah. We use a fairly small subset of OpenSG, so I think we can switch a >bit early (no clustering or similar fancy rendering. Geometry, >transforms and shaders. VRML/TGA/JPG). That's about it, plus some >image-manip, which ought to be easy to port if it isn't already. > >However, that _needs_ to be up and running. We can't afford more than a >few weeks of porting time. (Since I'm the only one who groks OpenSG >enough to manage to port from 1.8 to 2.0.) > > > >>>* I agree with Dirk's comment that OpenSG is really in a sort of 'middle >>>ground' with many users and too few contributing developers. Again, >>>fixing the roadmap for 2.0 & setting tickets for everything 1.8 would >>>help greatly. >>> >>> >>I think a planning page for 2.0 similar to the one I just created for >>1.8 would help this out. >> >> > >Yup. > > > >>>* I think IRC or anything text-based is better for conferences. That >>>way, we also have a log of the discussions. But that's just me. (We seem >>>to do pretty well here on the mail list, we just need faster iterations.) >>> >>> >>Any discussion would be good. IRC, skype, whatever. Let's just start >>discussing. :) >> >> > >We need to decide on some kind of agenda/topic though. Some of the >'future-of-opensg' issues would be good, _if_ we need more rapid >decisions. I don't know how fast OpenSG is moving or can move at the moment. > > What topics would you suggest talking about first? > > >>>Could we make a list of various parts of OpenSG where we have ppl with >>>sufficient time & knowledge to provide leadership (or at least be the >>>current 'point of contact' for communication), so that we have a clear >>>map over which parts are covered and not. Each person would then be >>>responsible to at least keep track of current status for her/his module >>>and coordinate development. >>> >>>It need not be a single person, and could be the "mail-list forum" for >>>some issues until we get more ppl commited. At least, the list of >>>modules/areas, current leadership and current status should be >>>summarized. (The PEOPLE file in trunk is a base for this.) >>> >>> >>I like this idea, but I don't know who would go where. Are you willing >>to take a first crack at making a wiki page like this to outline the >>leadership? >> >> > >Hm. The reason I asked for it is that I don't know enough about it. I >haven't been messing about with OpenSG enough to know which parts are >whose creation. But I could copy the old PEOPLE file, if it's up to >date. I think anyone of the core guys could type this down pretty >quickly, then I could put it on the wiki and make it shiny. :) > > > >>>This overlaps the roadmap work in some sense. >>> >>>I think the most important thing is establish where we are on the map >>>and try to point out a heading to everyone. >>> >>> >>I agree 100% with you on this on. Without a roadmap we have no plan or >>direction and that is a bad place to be in a software project. >> >> > >Yeah, it is since we have a goal (get 1.8 and 2.0 out). After that, it >might not be as necessary to have a 'master plan' all the time, since >it's pretty open-ended on where ppl want to take it. (Based on the >theory that if the foundation is solid, it can take a whole lot of >additional strees without needing reinforcement :). > > It is always nice to know where the core of the project is headed so people can chip in and contribute. -Allen >Cheers, >/Marcus > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? >Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier >Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo >http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >_______________________________________________ >Opensg-users mailing list >[email protected] >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensg-users > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 _______________________________________________ Opensg-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensg-users
