I agree on getting it working first. I also consider OGP and HG2 mutually exclusive and don't foresee a region wanting to have both.
Melanie Cristina Videira Lopes wrote: > Inifinity sent me a very nice private message, which, because it was > private, I'm not going to forward here. But the bottom line of his > nice message could use some public discussion. Essentially Infinity > is suggesting that we move towards getting the Hypergrid work into > the IETF, through this newly created OGPX working group. > > Personally, I think this is all premature. IETF-ing the Hypergrid is > premature for different reasons than IETF-ing OGP is premature. The > Hypergrid is not really ready for prime time until we have the > Hypergrid2 in place, with its security model to protect users from > malicious simulators. OGP is not ready for prime time because no one > has seen it yet, at least not any reasonably complete implementation > of it. > > The right thing to do, I think, is to first have implementations of > both OGP and the Hypergrid2 in OpenSim. Once that is in place, we can > all see the similarities and differences, and try to standardize the > similar pieces. Alternatively, we can try to work together towards > one single interop protocol, but honestly I think that's not going to > happen, simply because there is space for many (not just 2, but 3 or 4) > > What I suspect will happen is that OGP and the Hypergrid will have > several pieces that are very much in sync, with small details that > are different, and then they will have a few really important pieces > that are substantially different. Things like posting/retrieving > agents to/from regions, for example, we already converged to using > REST; inventory access, we already converged to using capability > URLs, etc. Small details such as the format of the data on the wire > are different, but that doesn't really matter as long as we agree > that the Content-type can be set to different things. > > The thing that will be substantially different is the issue of > authority: what component has authority to do what. In OGP regions > are still the ones doing agent transfers, therefore implying a trust > relation between interacting grids that must be established in some > non-technical manner (i.e. the receiving region trusts that the > sending region is not stealing the user's identity). In the > Hypergrid, agent transfers between non-trusting regions are done on > the client side, so that the identity of the user can always be > verified, there is no region in the middle acting on behalf of anyone. > > So, that's the main difference, as far as I understand OGP. > > The Hypergrid2 is in place through a proof-of-concept prototype > client (Grider) and a couple of small but horrible hacks in OpenSim. > OGP implementations don't exist yet, or they are not available to us > which is the same. I think there's a lot of work to do before we go > and propose any of this as standards. > > But I thought I'd bring this up for discussion. Maybe other people > aren't as strict on working implementations as I am. > > Crista > > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > > _______________________________________________ Opensim-dev mailing list [email protected] https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
