Since this is the real world, perhaps that could be added in the "hints to the non-genius beginner somewhere?"
Not every new user has years of experience at this! As for IRC, I have yet to manage to make it connect at all. Totally due to some grievous deficiency in my character I am sure. Karen On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Melanie <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > first off, it's not a change in mono. It's a change in how > distributions package mono. It means that the Debian packagers seem > to be at fault. > > Mono is monolithic, you can NOT break it up into a mono-runtime and > mono-develop or mono-complete package. Mono contains the CodeDom > methods and some of the methods DO call the compiler, which is > assumed to be there. > > Not including the compiler cripples mono and the packagers need to > be slapped around with a large trout, and more than just a bit. > > OpenSim will always need mono-complete, or whatever the name is that > the packagers give the package that contains the compiler and libraries. > > OpenSim compiles scripts programmatically, on a crippled system, > e.g. one without a compiler, this will NOT work. > > This is not OpenSim's fault. > > As for IRC, you join the appropriate channel and ask your question. > > Don't say "Hi". Don't ask "Can I ask a question?". Don't ask "Are > there any devs here?". Don't expect a reply to any of those. > > So, ask your question. Then stay online and wait. Most of us log > IRC, or stay logged in 14/7. We scroll back to look for questions > and answer them. Of course, this can be 10 hours later. We won't > bother answering a question if the asker has left since then. We > also don't answer irrelevant, inappropriate or misplaced questions. > > Ask user questions in #OpenSim. Do not ask them in #OpenSim-dev, > they will be ignored there. > > Easy, isn't it? > > You can't expect to come in, ask a question, get an answer, and log > out. If you're not willing or able to stay logged in to IRC until > there is an answer for you, we have this mailing list. > > Melanie > > Karen Palen wrote: > > Please don't shoot the messenger. > > > > I have forwarded this to the http://thehypergates.com people for > comment. > > > > As a minimum it would seem that the OpenSim documentation needs to be > > updated to reflect this change in mono. > > > > I happen to be doing a lot of LSL script coding right now, so I will try > the > > various scripts on a "clean" install (all of my machines have the full > > dev/debug mono normally) and report specific scripts/LSL functions that > > appear to require the extra capabilities. > > > > BTW I have not been able to get a response on IRC and have not taken the > > time to figure out the problem. In the past IRC has not been very useful > for > > this kind of problem. > > > > Karen > > > > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Melanie <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> No, but the IRC or this list are right place for it , NOT Mantis. If > >> it's not a coding error, it doesn't belong in Mantis. > >> > >> I can't access that website so I can't get the script in question. > >> > >> However, it is understood that you MUST be running OpenSim on a > >> machine that is capable of compiling it. GMCS is part of Mono and > >> it's needed to compile scripts. > >> > >> If a distro has cut Mono down into a user and a developer package, > >> you MUST have the developer package. This is because scripts are > >> compiled to normal assemblies, and the CodeDom tools do this by > >> calling the external gmcs.exe. If that is not there, scripts will > >> not work. > >> > >> If a distro makes distinctions there, it's that distro that is at > >> fault, not OpenSim. > >> > >> Therefore, the place for that is IRC or here, not Mantis. > >> > >> I have stopped answering "support" type questions in Mantis tickets > >> because it gets abused as a forum. OpenSim has no forum. It has a > >> mailing list. > >> > >> Melanie > >> > >> Karen Palen wrote: > >> > I was under the impression that I was reporting LSL scripts that do > NOT > >> work > >> > under the default mono! > >> > > >> > It appears that at least some of the LSL scripts do require an extra > mono > >> > package, despite the documentation. > >> > > >> > Should I simply forget about this bug report or ????? > >> > > >> > Karen > >> > > >> > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Mantis Bug Tracker < > >> [email protected] > >> >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> A NOTE has been added to this issue. > >> >> > ====================================================================== > >> >> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5007 > >> >> > ====================================================================== > >> >> Reported By: Karen Palen > >> >> Assigned To: > >> >> > ====================================================================== > >> >> Project: opensim > >> >> Issue ID: 5007 > >> >> Category: [REGION] Scripting Engine > >> >> Reproducibility: always > >> >> Severity: major > >> >> Priority: normal > >> >> Status: closed > >> >> Git Revision: r-13558 > >> >> SVN Revision: 0 > >> >> Run Mode: Standalone (Multiple Regions) > >> >> Physics Engine: BasicPhysics > >> >> Environment: Mono / Linux32 > >> >> Mono Version: 2.4.2 > >> >> Resolution: fixed > >> >> Fixed in Version: > >> >> > ====================================================================== > >> >> Date Submitted: 2010-08-31 11:10 PDT > >> >> Last Modified: 2010-09-26 15:48 PDT > >> >> > ====================================================================== > >> >> Summary: Some scripts require installing more than > >> the > >> >> default mono release > >> >> Description: > >> >> I have just finished a "clean" install of Diva r-13558 on a brand new > >> >> machine with freshly installed Ubuntu Lucid (10.04). > >> >> > >> >> Lucid comes with mono 2.4.4 pre-installed, however sone scripts > require > >> >> the package mono-gmcs and others (e.g. the hypergate > >> >> http://www.thehypergates.com/ ) > >> >> require the "mono-complete" package. > >> >> > >> >> According to the mono documentation this is due to unresolved > references > >> >> in the scripting package. > >> >> > ====================================================================== > >> >> > >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> (0016905) melanie (administrator) - 2010-09-26 15:48 > >> >> http://opensimulator.org/mantis/view.php?id=5007#c16905 > >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> OpenSim runs with the normal mono packages. That will run OpenSim and > >> all > >> >> LSL scipts. Any other languages may need additional libraries, which > are > >> >> not OpenSim's responsibility to provide. And Mantis is NOT a Forum. > If > >> you > >> >> have questions, PLEASE take it to IRC. > >> >> > >> >> Issue History > >> >> Date Modified Username Field Change > >> >> > ====================================================================== > >> >> 2010-08-31 11:10 Karen Palen New Issue > >> >> 2010-08-31 11:10 Karen Palen Git Revision => r-13558 > >> >> 2010-08-31 11:10 Karen Palen SVN Revision => 0 > >> >> 2010-08-31 11:10 Karen Palen Run Mode => > Standalone > >> >> (Multiple Regions) > >> >> 2010-08-31 11:10 Karen Palen Physics Engine => > >> BasicPhysics > >> >> 2010-08-31 11:10 Karen Palen Environment => Mono / > >> Linux32 > >> >> 2010-08-31 11:10 Karen Palen Mono Version => 2.4.2 > >> >> 2010-08-31 13:52 Karen Palen Issue Monitored: Karen Palen > >> >> 2010-09-26 14:14 Matto Note Added: 0016902 > >> >> 2010-09-26 14:30 melanie Note Added: 0016903 > >> >> 2010-09-26 14:30 melanie Status new => > closed > >> >> 2010-09-26 14:30 melanie Resolution open => > fixed > >> >> 2010-09-26 15:39 Karen Palen Note Added: 0016904 > >> >> 2010-09-26 15:48 melanie Note Added: 0016905 > >> >> > ====================================================================== > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Opensim-dev mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Opensim-dev mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Opensim-dev mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >
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