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Thank you all for your input and clarification on this issue.  We are not 
interested in changing the frame rate, only to understand it so that we may 
profile correctly.  We are looking at how much time the simulator spends 
processing each actor under different load profiles.  We are also performing 
statistical analyses to look for anomalies, such as time spent in the script 
actor when there are no scripts running in the sim.

This is all very valuable information and we appreciate your assistance. 
Don't be surprised if you see a patch from us that corrects the misreporting 
of the simulator frame rate very soon.  We need to perform some testing to see 
how the client will react to the changes.

v/r -douglas

Douglas Maxwell, MSME
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Virtual World Strategic Applications
U.S. Army Research Lab
Simulation & Training Technology Center (STTC)
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Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Sim and Phys Frames per Second (FPS) Issues

Thanks. You have clarified much. I realised the rift is viewer control but was 
not so clear about the impact/relationship between viewer and server frame 
rates  and the interpolation needed.

Thanks again.

Tom Willans  BSc(Hons)  MBCS  CITP
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On 3 Mar 2015, at 09:08, Dahlia Trimble <[email protected]> wrote:



        If my memory is correct, SL sims run at a default of 45 frames/second. 
OpenSimulator runs at 11. I'm not certain exactly why 11 was chosen but I do 
know that increasing it increases the amount of work the simulator must do. 
E.g., if you go from 11 to 45 you quadruple the work the simulator must do


        The only signal I'm aware of that affects the viewer is "time 
dilation". This 
value varies from 0.0 to 1.0 where 1.0 indicates the simulator is running at 
full speed. If for some reason the physics engine cannot keep up with the 
simulation it can signal the viewers to slow movement. This value is sent with 
many UDP packets that are involved with the scene and moving objects, so the 
viewers will know this value as timely as possible.


        Running the simulation at 11 fps shoudl *not* affect devices such as 
the Rift 
as the camera is controlled entirely viewer side except under special 
circumstances such as a user surrendering camera control to a script. The 
viewer frame rate is *entirely independent* of the simulator frame rate and 
will run as fast as the hardware allows if configured to do so.


        Choosing an appropriate simulation frame rate would involve weighing 
the 
tradeoffs between simulation workload and responsiveness to user controls such 
as those that control avatar position movement. Bear in mind that there are 
also network delays involved; a simulation running at 11 frames/second will 
respond to a user control every 89 ms but there will also be round-trip 
network delays which may typically be 100-200 ms but as high as 1.5 seconds or 
more. Increashing the simulation frame rate will likely not produce a 
perceivable difference in performance but will *significantly reduce* the 
capacity of the simulator to do things like host more avatars and scripted 
objects.


        Also bear in mind that much of the code assumes 11 frames/second and 
raising 
that may create motion-related and other bugs that may not be apparent until 
much later. OpenSimulator is tuned to function properly at 11 frames/second.


        To recap: the user camera is for the most part entirely controlled 
within the 
viewer and is unaffected by simulation frame rate. As such devices such as the 
Rift which manipulate the camera will not be affected.


        On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:09 AM, Tom Bess <[email protected]> 
wrote:



                I am reporting a comparison between sl and opensim and did not 
realise this. 
Does sl run at a true 55fps? If so why bother?  Presumably the viewer needs 
55fps sent to it to get its calculations correct as at 11fps opensim does the 
same at sl albeit in larger steps.

                Would a faster fps improve the accuracy of devices such as the 
rift by 
having to interpolate over a shorter period of time? Admittedly I suspect 
viewer rendering needs to be improved as well as this aspect is holding my 
experience back.

                I understand that other aspects may assume that 11fps is a 
fixed constant 
and not allow for this to change presumably that can be changed but you guys 
know more here.

                Thanks for the guide btw.

                Tom Willans  BSc(Hons)  MBCS  CITP
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                On 3 Mar 2015, at 05:18, Sean M <[email protected]> 
wrote:



                        Thanks Justin, Dahlia, Michael, and everyone. I now 
have a better 
understanding of the way FPS is calculated and of the correction factor.

                        -Sean M.

                        On Monday, March 2, 2015, Justin Clark-Casey 
<[email protected]> 
wrote:


                                I think this has already been said but just to 
summarize.

                                * The 11 fps are the number of scene frames 
processed - opportunities 
where avatars may be notified about changes in the scene.

                                * Each of these scene frames is associated with 
a physics process where 5 
physics frames are processed in each frame. Hence 11 * 5 = 55 fps.

                                * Why this number?  Others may know better but 
my guess is that it's 
related to the frequency of updates expected by the viewer.  Teravus may well 
know more if he's still around.

                                * Changing m_reportedFpsCorrectionFactor will 
do nothing except change the 
server FPS stat.

                                * Changing MinFrameTime will change the number 
of scene frames.  From my 
work in the past, you would also need to adjust other parameters like physics 
frames to stop things going haywire (this was with ODE, Bullet might work 
differently).  I expect you also wouldn't gain much if anything in scene 
fidelity.

                                On 02/03/15 18:23, Sean M wrote:


                                        Greetings,

                                        We at the MOSES project have noticed 
Simulation and Physics frames per 
second (FPS) have a few issues that we are trying
                                        to resolve. The issues are producing 
suspicious performance statistics 
for the analysis of the current version of
                                        OpenSim that we are running.

                                        First, there is a correction factor 
(m_reportedFpsCorrectionFactor) that 
the raw SimFPS is multiplied by. The comment in
                                        the following line is a bit curious 
because it indicates that the FPS is 
artificially inflated to "lie" about the actual
                                        FPS being so low:

                                        
OpenSim/Region/Framework/__Scenes/SimStatsReporter.cs: Line 317
                                        // We're going to lie about the FPS 
because we've been lying since 2008. 
The actual FPS is currently
                                        // locked at a maximum of 11.  Maybe at 
some point this can change so 
that we're not lying.
                                        int reportedFPS = (int)(m_fps * 
m_reportedFpsCorrectionFactor);

                                        Also, lines 174 and 227 mention the use 
of this correction factor.

                                        Second, this multiplier also comes into 
play in the Scene where there is 
a MinFrameTime, which seems to be the minimum
                                        reported amount of time to process a 
frame:
                                        
OpenSim/Region/Framework/__Scenes/Scene.cs:Line 723

                                        Both of these variables, the correction 
factor and MinFrameTime, are 
concerning from a statistics view point as they are
                                        generating skewed and massaged numbers; 
therefore, I have a few 
questions:

                                        1) Is it commonly known that Sim and 
Phy FPSs are inflated to maintain 
the "lie"? And if so, will it be corrected to be
                                        an accurate reporting of processed 
frames per second?

                                        2) What exactly are the definitions for 
OpenSim's Simulation (Sim) FPS, 
Physics (Phy) FPS and a frame (I have found
                                        conflicting and vague definitions on 
the wiki)?

                                        3) What are the known performance 
consequences of setting the 
m_reportedFpsCorrectionFactor to 1 and MinFrameTime to 0?

                                        Thanks,
                                        Sean M.


                                        
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