You are quite correct in saying that the traffic camera comments belong elsewhere! Sorry.
http://camerafraud.wordpress.com/ is a website devoted to this issue and is the appropriate place for any more discussion. I will merely note that so far 11 states have banned the cameras and 17 out of 17 ballots on the issue have also done so. I do agree with your comments on the ID string, although I have other posts which cover my thoughts in more detail. Karen --- On Thu, 1/14/10, Kyle Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Kyle Hamilton <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Banning "bad" viewers was Re: Can this be done? > To: "opensim-users" <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, January 14, 2010, 10:40 AM > My apologies, Karen; I was > actually directing most of this to Imago. > > (My comments about Arizona, photo radar, red-light cameras, > and > California are all still directed toward you, but they open > a > different topic which is outside the scope of this list.) > > -Kyle H > > 2010/1/14 Kyle Hamilton <[email protected]>: > > This is completely off-topic at this point, and after > this (unless someone adds useful signal) I'm ignoring this > thread. > > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Karen Palen <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> In fact it takes a certain amount of effort to > change the default ID which is built into the viewer code. > Effort that no malware writer will expend! > > > > ...until you issue a challenge like that. Further, the > 'default ID' can be changed *on the commandline*. Because of > this, there's no requirement to recompile/relink the viewer > when you want to change that ID string, which reduces (by > several orders of magnitude) the amount of time necessary to > brute-force the string necessary. And, since you've > essentially stated that you want the "official" Linden > viewer, all someone has to do is figure out which version > string(s) of the released viewer your grid will accept. > > > > If you want security through obscurity, that's > wonderful... but when you make it no longer obscure, it's no > longer secure. You have definitely removed the obscurity > from your system through your announcement of your plans in > this thread. > > > > I have already stated the only even-remotely-secure > way to do it, and even that, if you want any kind of grid > population at all, is going to require some kind of > automation. (That way is server/client mutual cryptographic > authentication, handled via TLS.) Personally, I'd rather > each change to a primitive be written to a log as a > revertable changeset... but I'll let you know when I figure > out how to do that. > > > >> There are a great many crazy ideas that hide under > the banner of "security". > >> > >> Here in Arizona we have a traffic camera scam > which is being promoted as "safety". The huge amount of > statistical evidence which proves this to be false is simply > ignored. > > > > Traffic cameras have been held unconstitutional in the > state of California. I used to live in Arizona; I pity that > you do. > > > > The problem that those traffic cameras were supposed > to stop can be resolved, much more effectively, by > increasing the length of the yellow light to at least 2 > seconds. The bigger problem is that most city councils were > convinced that it could be a revenue-generation system, and > thus most councils directed that yellow lights be shortened, > thus increasing the danger of entering an intersection in > the first two seconds after a green light. > > > >> Many people are receiving citations for speeding > when in fact they are sick or travelling outside the US. > > > > ...which is why they've been held unconstitutional in > CA. (As has photo-radar, since the operator of the vehicle > is the one responsible for the violation -- not the owner or > registered owner of the vehicle used for the violation.) > > > >> Karen > > > > The point is to identify the end result of what you > want, and you've identified it as "I don't want anyone > fucking with the prims on my grid unless I grant them > permission." You have generalized this to "I don't want > anyone I can't trust not to fuck with the prims on my grid > to connect to my grid," and are now trying to find a way to > enforce that. We've all told you *why* your approach is > flawed. We've all told you *how* your approach is flawed. > We've even tried to provide you with *better directions* to > find the solution to your problem. > > > > All the while, you've been stubbornly refusing to > accept any solution more complex than the not-a-solution > that you've come up with, and have been vocally defending > something that, to be effective, must be kept secret. (Since > it's no longer a secret, it no longer has any effectiveness. > Congratulations on shooting yourself in the foot.) > > > > -Kyle H > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > _______________________________________________ Opensim-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users
