On Oct 4, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Serendipity Seraph wrote: > If you had a good enough script to get the mono bits and build them locally > then the local mono executable *may* be enough. Just a thought. So a > script that got mono and built that (assuming the kids have the mac developer > tools on their boxes) and got the diva distro and ran its setup could perhaps > work. >
Duh. Build it on any machine with privileges then give the students a tar or zip and script to locally run everything. Also, doesn't the school have some way to change what is on the kids's machines (remote admin)? > - s > > On Oct 4, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Justin Clark-Casey wrote: > >> On 04/10/10 14:29, Jeff Mao wrote: >>> >>> Please excuse the x-post >>> >>> Greetings all, >>> This is sightly off-topic, but I figured this was a community that could >>> help point me toward the people who could help me solve a >>> challenge...here it is (this is a little long)... >>> >>> In my real life, I work for the State of Maine, Department of Education, >>> and I oversee the Maine Learning Technology Initiative. It is the United >>> State's largest 1:1 student computing program. Currently, we have 70,000 >>> users (students, teachers, and administrators) in grades 7-12. Annually, >>> we host a student conference at the University of Maine. About 1000 kids >>> attend annually, and it is a time for kids to share what they are doing >>> and to learn from others -- all things that are powered by the fact that >>> we have a unique scenario...every student has a State issued MacBook >>> laptop computer. >>> >>> Part of the day each year, we host an "ubër session" where all 1000 kids >>> are in an auditorium together and do something that really demonstrates >>> the power of the scale of the program. Last year, we played at >>> www.freerice.com <http://www.freerice.com/> and in 45 minutes, the kids >>> donated 2.4 million grains of rice to the World Food Program by >>> answering vocabulary questions. >>> >>> This year, we were thinking of doing a virtual world project. Here's >>> what we were thinking...rather then attempt to set up enough servers for >>> all the kids to login to a grid together (its already a challenge to >>> create a wireless network that can host 1000 concurrent users in one >>> auditorium), we were thinking that each student would host their own sim >>> (the other benefit to this is that when they leave, they take their sim >>> with them and can use it anytime anywhere). To connect the session to >>> the larger theme of the student conference (STEM education) we are >>> focusing on energy this year. The activity we wanted them to play with >>> for the hour we have is to play with energy use. To do so, we wanted to >>> preload the default avatar inventory with some scripted items like a >>> plasma TV, toaster, microwave oven, etc. In addition, things like small >>> windmills, solar panels, etc. The idea is to let the kids drag these >>> items out into their world, and with a HUD of some sort, be able to >>> monitor electrical use even with these items "off". And then be able to >>> turn them on, and see what happens to their energy draw...add a solar >>> panel, and see what it takes to offset their electrical use, etc. >>> >>> None of that is hard except...hosting your own sim. We've looked at the >>> opensim project, and it appears that their is potential here, and we're >>> only at the start of investigating this...but here's our initial barriers: >>> >>> 1) The students are not administrators on their laptops, so the sim and >>> any supporting frameworks (ie mono) need to be able to be installed into >>> the user home directory without an administrator >>> password.http://github.com/diva/d2 >> >> Unfortunately, I believe mono can only be installed with administrator >> privileges on Mac. >> >>> >>> 2) How to set up a dynamic "map" so that once the 1000 kids each have a >>> sim running, how to visit each other's sim? >> >> In principle, you could do this by enabling hypergrid on OpenSim. Hypergrid >> allows avatars from different installations of OpenSim to visit other >> installations without having to be in the same grid (which would require a >> large amount of network traffic). There are some details at >> >> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_and_Running_Hypergrid >> >> which I believe relate to Hypergrid 1.0 in OpenSim 0.6.9. Later OpenSim >> versions run a revision called Hypergrid 1.5 which I believe uses different >> commands which are not yet well documented (?). >> >> Although HG can be set up on OpenSim, you may want to take a look at the >> Diva Distribution >> >> http://github.com/diva/d2 >> >> which comes with Hypergrid pre-configured. >> >> I suspect this will all be very technically challenging - I'm guessing 1000 >> simultaneous users is significantly higher than any scaling scenario seen so >> far with this architecture.... >> >>> >>> >>> So, the question for the wisdom of this group...anyone ever try anything >>> of this sort? Anyone know who we should be talking to? Maybe someone at >>> Linden Labs would be interested in playing with this with us? This event >>> is scheduled for the end of May 2011, so that's our timeline for any >>> development that we might need to get done to make this happen. >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any wisdom you might have... >>> >>> Jeff Mao >>> Learning Technology Policy Director >>> Maine Department of Education >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> SL: Geoffrey Mayo >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Opensim-users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >> >> >> -- >> Justin Clark-Casey (justincc) >> http://justincc.org >> http://twitter.com/justincc >> _______________________________________________ >> Opensim-users mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users _______________________________________________ Opensim-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users
