I don't disagree that Lenovo has nice machines, but they are more expensive, I have had my hands on both Lenovo and Toshiba, and I can tell you from first hand experience, Toshiba quality and reliability and durability matches and in some case exceeds Lenovo in certain classes of machine, and with Toshiba you get a lot more computer for your money. If your looking for a business class machine Lenovo is the way to go for sure, if your looking for a Game/3D Level machine then Toshiba blows Lenovo out of the water hands down.
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Dr Ramesh Ramloll <[email protected]>wrote: > Thanks for all the fast and detailed responses. I am absolutely grateful. > I also found this info that am sharing. Looks like Lenovo is currently > the most reliable choice as well. > > > http://www.rescuecom.com/news-press-releases/computer-reliability-report-2012.aspx > > > Manufacturer U.S. Computer Market Share2 > (Percentage of Share computers shipped) RESCUECOM Computer Repair Share1 > (Percentage of service calls to 1-800-RESCUE-PC) Computer > Reliability Score1 > LENOVO/IBM 7.3% 2.6% 281 > TOSHIBA 10.3% 5.4% 190 > SAMSUNG 1.7% 1.1% 156 > APPLE 11.0% 7.3% 151 > ASUS 3.8% 3.0% 126 > HP/COMPAQ 23.2% 23.3% 100 > DELL 22.6% 33.2% 68 > SONY 2.2% 3.4% 64 > ACER 8.2% 20.7% 40 > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Patrick Elliott-Brennan > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I have to say that I agree with Sean and his reasoning. > > > > Excellent summary, Sean. > > > > I've seen lots of various makes in a very 'hands-on' profession which > > required the laptops to be used by many people on lots of different > > environments. > > > > The Thinkpads did best. > > > > So much so that when it came to buying our first new laptops, I bought my > > wife and I an X200 each. > > > > That's not to say other machines aren't good, just that the Thinkpads do > > very well in multi-user environments. > > > > Note: I avoid laptops generally as I find the 'use' argument usually > more of > > an 'excuse' argument. ie. Most people who have them don't really need > them > > and would be better served (money wise) with desktops. > > > > Regards, > > Patrick > > > > On Apr 7, 2012 10:27 AM, "Sean McNamara" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> For workloads involving OpenSim and/or Second Life derived viewers, > >> you will definitely want a discrete graphics card in the laptop. This > >> increases cost, weight and size of the unit, as well as reduces > >> battery life, but it's well worth the downsides. Using integrated > >> graphics with a simulator is just unwise; the experience will be... > >> unpleasant. Maybe Ivy Bridge CPUs will change that, but don't count on > >> it. > >> > >> I personally have a very low opinion of the build quality of all > >> currently-available retail laptops except for two brands which really > >> stand out: the Panasonic Toughbook, and the Lenovo ThinkPad (notice: > >> *NOT* IdeaPad!). > >> > >> Notice I said *build quality*. This says nothing about: > >> -Value/price > >> -Weight > >> -Battery life > >> -Performance > >> > >> What IS build quality? Build quality is a trait of a laptop which is > >> measured by judging how well the laptop withstands the pressures of > >> typical use and typical accidental damage / misuse. To me, build > >> quality goes far beyond the physical characteristics of the unit. > >> Build quality encompasses things such as: > >> > >> -The reliability of the parts. Will your HDD last 2 years, or 8? This > >> is a build quality question. > >> > >> -The robustness of the firmware and drivers for all of the parts. Will > >> your wifi card have a bug that randomly hangs the entire system when > >> it scans for new networks? Will your BIOS have a bug that refuses to > >> boot from USB flash drives? These little annoyances can add up to a > >> completely unusable product, if build quality is not a constant point > >> of attention by the manufacturer. > >> > >> -The ability of the hardware to survive in more extreme environments. > >> Is your laptop only going to survive if you keep the internals > >> completely clean of all dust and dirt, and keep it on a flat, > >> heat-conducting table at all times? Or will you be able to hold it at > >> odd angles against your knee (both a poor conductor and a small > >> surface area) for extended periods while running intensive > >> applications? Will the unit overheat if the temperature in your house > >> or lab is over 80 Fahrenheit? If you accidentally drop the unit, will > >> it shatter into a million pieces, or will it sustain a dignified scuff > >> mark on the case? All of these are build quality questions. > >> > >> -The degree to which your hardware was tested during development, > >> believe it or not, is a build quality question. The more well-tested a > >> device, the longer its time to market; but at the same time, the end > >> result will be far superior in reliability and will be able to support > >> more general use cases than products that are rushed to market only > >> expecting the top few most common use cases. > >> > >> Personally, I think there is a tragic disease in the laptop and > >> embedded device market today, that build quality is being thrown out > >> the door, in favor of other factors, such as: > >> > >> -Reducing cost > >> -Reducing time to market > >> -Reducing weight > >> -Reducing the labor-intensive parts of product development > >> -Increasing the "raw stats" (MHz, number of cores, amount of RAM, etc) > >> in the unit without increasing price > >> > >> This disease is as damaging to the overall satisfaction with a device > >> as it would be to eat a diet of pure sugar with no nutrients. Build > >> quality is the nutrients, fiber and protein of computing: it makes the > >> device *usable* in the same way that protein allows you to *survive*. > >> > >> I won't disagree directly with Nebadon, but let's just say that I > >> definitely, positively would not recommend Toshiba as a laptop > >> manufacturer, especially with the target of a "lab" environment where > >> people who may not have your organization's best interests at heart > >> (or whom may not care about accidental or purposeful damage they might > >> attempt to inflict upon the units) will have regular access to the > >> PCs. > >> > >> It is for these reasons that I encourage you to think carefully about > >> build quality, and not just cost and specifications, in your selection > >> of laptop; and I urge you to look at Lenovo ThinkPads and Panasonic > >> Toughbooks should you be interested in a unit with very rugged build > >> quality which I can proudly recommend from years and years of personal > >> experience. > >> > >> Aside from that, chances are good that, getting down to specs, any > >> unit with >= 4GB of RAM, >= 200GB HDD, >= 2 cores, a discrete (and > >> current-generation!) GPU, is going to be more than enough to enjoyably > >> run a workload such as OpenSim alongside a Second Life derived viewer. > >> For such a unit, you might look at the ThinkPad T-series laptops. > >> They're even fairly price competitive these days, if you omit frills > >> like fingerprint reader, bluetooth, and an SSD. > >> > >> Best of luck to you. > >> > >> Sean > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Dr Ramesh Ramloll <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > Hey there, > >> > I am a little sheepish when it comes to buying laptops. Couple of > >> > years ago, I bought about 24 alienware latops for a lab based on the > >> > recommendation of a hardcore gamer that I trusted. Within a short > >> > period, about 50% of the machines developed various issues from basic > >> > cracked screens because of over tight hinges, failed hard drives > >> > etc..., over heating. > >> > Now am on the market for some more. What are your recommendations? > >> > Needless to say am staying clear of Alienware ... > >> > Thanks for your time. > >> > R > >> > > >> > -- > >> > 'Consider how the lilies grow. They do not labor or spin.' > >> > Rameshsharma Ramloll PhD, CEO CTO DeepSemaphore LLC, Affiliate > >> > Research Associate Professor, Idaho State University, Pocatello, ID > >> > 83209 Tel: 208-240-0040 > >> > Blog, LinkedIn, DeepSemaphore LLC, Google+ profile > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Opensim-users mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Opensim-users mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Opensim-users mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > > > > -- > 'Consider how the lilies grow. They do not labor or spin.' > Rameshsharma Ramloll PhD, CEO CTO DeepSemaphore LLC, Affiliate > Research Associate Professor, Idaho State University, Pocatello, ID > 83209 Tel: 208-240-0040 > Blog, LinkedIn, DeepSemaphore LLC, Google+ profile > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > -- Michael Emory Cerquoni - Nebadon Izumi @ http://osgrid.org
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