Nicolas Williams wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 03:41:21PM -0800, Garrett D'Amore wrote:
>   
>> It seems *awfully* strange to me that we feel obliged to integrate a set 
>> of command line utilities which are designed to provide raw access to a 
>> hardware bus to the command line.
>>     
>
> I don't think that's trange at all.  It's a useful debug aid at the very
> least, and it may well be a useful integrator's tool for gluing things
> together as well.
>   
It isn't just a debug aid. Similar tools and libraries dependent upon 
those tools began shipping from Legato in 1994 because of lack of 
support within Solaris. As far as I know, they still ship, although they 
probably use sgen when available.

This Legato thing isn't just a random user package. This is a major 
backup package that Sun used to OEM. It still generated 500$M/yr revenue 
for EMC.

Repeated discussions with Sun over the years pointing out both Legato's 
discomfort (*and* Sun's discomfort- at one point they were even 
maintaining the tools I believe) over using raw access in this way never 
really went anywhere.

So please don't tell me I'm exaggerating. I know precisely whereof I speak.

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