James Carlson wrote: > Kyle McDonald writes: > >> Joseph Kowalski wrote: >> >>> We want to start putting all user utilities with non-conflicting names >>> into /usr/bin. >>> >> Why? Please NO! >> >> I know I'm just a lowly long time user of Solaris, but please don't >> polute /usr/bin with this stuff. >> > > This has been discussed to death, and I don't think the body needs to > be exhumed for this case. > > Ok. I'll look it up. > /usr/sfw/bin (and the other far-flung /bin directories lurking in the > system) pose a serious and on-going usability problem for Solaris. > Users can't find what they need. They just assume that Solaris > doesn't include basic tools such as "make." They walk away. > > Why isn't updating the default PATH to include these other directories satisfactory? Why would a user need to know exactly where the tool lives if it's found and runs when they type 'make'? > Adding /usr/sfw/bin to the path doesn't fix the problem. It's not > needed on other platforms, so you end up in a confusing and incomplete > place. > > So if /usr/ucb, and /usr/sfw were added to the defautl path, then these same users who assume that 'make' isn't available, are going to be advanced wnough to notice the other directories in the PATH and be confused by them? These users are going to care?
I'd think that if 'make' runs, they'll be happy and get on with their work. > That's not good for Sun or for Solaris. Thus, we rescinded that > earlier mistake. See "Enabling serendipitous discovery" (PSARC > 2005/185) for details, and either file a new case or an appeal if you > wish to overturn that one. > I don't object to adding things to Solaris that make it easier to use for those coming from other places. I just think we're throwing away things that longtime users of solaris are used to, and that keep them on solaris instead of linux. I think we'll be pushing out existing users, to attract the new ones. Seems like throwing out the baby with the bath water. I don't understand why GNOME tries to look alot like Windows. I don't understand why Solaris wants to look alot like Linux. Many talk about how mistakes are made in the Linux world, but then want to emulate them in Solaris? I think Solaris needs to continue to be, and show off, how it is better than linux, and not just the kernel or low level engineering stuff - the user visible stuff too. I also think Solaris needs to hang on to the users, developers and Fans it has now. -Kyle >
