Joseph Kowalski wrote: > Roy T. Fielding wrote: >> I am not mistaken. > Oh sigh,...
I'm stuck in between - agreeing with both of you, and disagreeing with both of you... On Roy's side, it is effectively true that OS.o communities and their projects ultimately decide if/when to interact with the ARC community. Just look at the user group community, which has almost no reason to do so, or at projects that exist simply to explore new ideas (website, PowerPC), or even projects that are only prototyping and are not yet ready for even an inception (like, ahem, most of Indiana). On Joe's side, there are several communities that have decided that *the* way to get into their source repositories is to follow the ARC process. These include Nevada/ON, SFW and X. The reason I am stuck in between is that the creation of the larger OS.o community stalled before it was completed. The basis for much OS.o (ON/Nevada) never was made into a real community, SFW exists somewhere, but not anywhere I can find it, the idea of Consolidations (which would be managed by the ARC process) is still half baked, the OGB effort to define the ARC role more formally isn't going anywhere, etc etc etc. *Of course* Roy and others can poke large holes in the story because it really does leak like a sieve. Welcome to the real world, where we all are human, yet we still strive to make the best out of what we have. So, no, Roy - you can't claim that the ARC is always only advisory (we've been there, done that - it ultimately destroys the ability of the ARC to be effective at anything), and no, Joe - there needs to be room in the structure of things for people to simply play without strings. The middle ground is that, for the places where it makes sense (OS.o consolidations, IMHO) we need to have a single technical commitment process that can be used for all of them, one that is staffed by (some of? all of?) the impacted Core Contributers, and is answerable to the community by way of the OGB. We're not all the way there yet, but we are still committed to making this work. -John
