> Just like most "meta" packaging systems this looks > like a major headache for anything else but software > which has no real dependencies outside what itself > provides. The example you give, Oracle, IBM products, > etc, are relatively easy to install when compared to > more "basic" stuff like, oh, KDE for example. The > amount of dependencies and the algorithms to resolve > them in a sane matter are not something to you're > likely to implement properly into a tool which needs > to support a whole lot of package formats in any > other way than just basic functionality like bluntly > installing and uninstalling a single > rpm/deb/msi/whatever.
IBM clearcase and oracle examples were given for the need of single application installer/remover not becuase they are simple standalone application. kde is already packaged by TWW Inc., please look at the package source here ftp://support.thewrittenword.com/dists/7.0/src/kde-3.3.2/sb-db.xml it is not easy task especially this sb-db.xml runs on most Unixen. with just a "sb kde-3.3.2/sb-db.xml" command. Read through the sb-db.xml I hope you can appreicate the written words of wisdom on how to build kde on many version of Unixen. Beside yourslef after reading pages now compilation how text file, Do you want others to compile opensolaris easily ? please read this opensolaris-1.0.sb. at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSolaris/Developer opensolaris-1.0.sb digitalize the process of compiling opensolaris in a xml file so others can repeat. Do you like the command "configure" after you unpack the tar.gz file ? tww tools is next good thing happen after autoconf/automake tool. > Anyway, it looks like you're trying to plug your own > product. Nothing wrong with that, except that it's > probably the first time most of us here have heard > about it in the firstplace (it was for me anyway). If > that is the case I estimate your chances to be slim > to find much adoption for something which is both > unproven and underdocumented. I will be honored if TWW tool is my product . I don't have any personal business relationship with the company. I am just a happy customer of TWW Inc. I feel strange also why TWW HPMS is not well known. Perhaps TWW's IT customers are using it as a secret weapon to keep their jobs from outsoucing ;) Where are you ? the TWW customers. Don't leave me fighting the battle along here. Anyway, I believe in TWW HPMS and I like to promote this tool in my free time. What TWW HPMS need now is publicity to gain Internet momentum. TWW HPMS is so cool to me (unix admin) that I even make up CPAM and HPMS acronyms to build a bridge to TWW acronmy. > I don't have a solution for the dilemma this > community seems to be in. If it were my call, I'd > pick the packaging system which is very well > documented, performs well and has a lot of packages > for it already. From where I'm sitting that qualifies > RPM and DPKG. When you throw in the requirement for > the proper tools and documentation to handle those > packages (install, remove, dependency resolving, etc) > and to create them in the firstplace, I'd say > DPKG/APT/devscripts wins hands down. I don't remembe the exact but even Steve Job say something like following when he once gave up NeXTStep/Mac vs Windows desktop battle. In order to win, the new comer has to be 10 times better. My version on PMS war/debate is Unless the new PMS is 10 times better than existing PMS otherwise improve it bit by bit or live with it. Because the cost of removing legacy built around the old PMS will eat up all the benifit the new PMS bring. I would like to extend your "this community" to include Unixen community. I don't have solution for the diffcult situation the Unixen community either. But I do know TWW HPMS is least intrusive and most cost effictive for us today before we have only one Unix version. "us" may only limited to IT centers only becuase end users at home has not much legacy to deal with. The better the Local PMS the less work Hyper PMS need to do except wrap around the underneath command line tool. > But maybe that's just because I like Debian :-) To bring home food, I need to like and tame the Unixen in my workplace but Debian is not one of them so far ;) Not much experience with Debian except I ported sb in TWW tools over without much diffculty along with Mac OS X and Linksys nslu2. tj This message posted from opensolaris.org _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
