On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 11:04:43AM -0700, W. Wayne Liauh wrote:

> I am posting my original question again:
> 
> "I was always wondering if some high school kids can run an NG/web combo 
> based discussion forum so well for Linux, why the grownups at Sun couldn't 
> for Solaris/OpenSolaris?"
> 
> A forum without unicode compatibility? At this time of age? Give me
> a break.  Also, I am greatly annoyed by the bombardments of emails
> that contain no messages and which lead to nowhere.

Perhaps you could help out instead of denigrating the efforts of a
grossly underresourced organisation.  A strength of the "Linux
kids"[0] is that they don't rely on some central organisation to act
when something needs fixing.  They just do it.

> I am not asking a question to be helped, I am simply voicing the
> frustrations that I have experienced.  If this is the way Sun
> engineers intended to run OpenSolaris, I am telling you rignt now, I

Sun engineers don't intend to run OpenSolaris, at least not solely.
We - the OpenSolaris community that includes Sun engineers but does
not exclude other worthy contributors - intend to run it in ways that
benefit everyone.  Therefore you have a voice in how that's done, and
with that voice a responsibility to act in ways that further your
goals.  Under monarchy, if the king's decision goes against you, you
have the right to complain endlessly: you didn't choose the king, you
can't replace him, and you can't overturn his decision.  This isn't a
monarchy, and Sun isn't the king.  If you don't like what we've done
so far, fix it.  There are two ways in which you could work toward a
better forum interface:

1. Work with Derek on website-discuss to describe the features you're
looking for and what's wrong with what you have now.  This list isn't
the place, and inflammatory remarks don't help.

2. Subscribe your own address to the list(s) and redirect the mail
into an archiver/forum system of your choosing.  If your system is
better, people will use it and then we'll integrate it.

(1) is a friendlier and more helpful approach, but if you're really
convinced that Derek's an idiot who will never get it right, you
should do everyone a service by solving the problem yourself.

[0] A pejorative and largely inaccurate description, considering the
large number of Linux developers who are degreed professionals, not
high-school students.  See
http://www.gcn.com/vol1_no1/daily-updates/26641-1.html for example.

-- 
Keith M Wesolowski              "Sir, we're surrounded!" 
Solaris Kernel Team             "Excellent; we can attack in any direction!" 
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