On Mon, 22 Aug 2005, Justin Cormack wrote:

[ ... original post reformatted per normal list email standards ... ]

> You do argue a lot around here, was going to ignore it, but here goes.
>
> alhopper, you complain about installing a 3ware card with a binary only 
> driver. Note
                ^^^^^^^^
No - I did'nt complain.  Where do you see that?

> (a) 3ware used to provide source for their cards under Linux; they sold a
> lot because of this. Disappointed they no longer do.

They did and they still do.  Look on their site.  Where did I say they "no
longer do".  Why did'nt you look on their site before you posted to the
list.  Please do your homework and at least get the facts straight.  Read
my post again and you'll see where I said:

>   + downloaded the 3Ware driver source kit - step 4
>   + built a new driver from source - step 5

You need to pay more attention and read posts more carefully.

> (b) They dont provide a Solaris driver at all. Rather than moaning do 
> something about that.
                                                             ^^^^^^^
Where do you see me moan?
It's incredible what you can read in my post that is simply *not there*!

I have done something about the lack of a 3Ware Solaris driver - why do you
assume that I have not?

> (c) Most Linux users in a professional situation consider anything
> without an open source driver as not only unsupported but unsupportable -
> there is no Linux vendor who will give you commercial support if you use
> such a driver, as none of the vendors have the source code. Even if you
> believe that the driver is not causing the problem it doesnt help, as it
> runs in kernel space.
> (d) This is a very different situation from Sun (and it is something Sun
> could leverage in the case of hardware that is likely never to have open
> source drivers eg 3D graphics; as Sun can get access to source code and
> has a history of working with closed source drivers).
> (e) So dont complain about Linux not supporting some bit of hardware that
              ^^^^^^^^
???

> doesnt have an open source driver - buy some other hardware.

Again - if you read my post you'll understand that:

1) I got the system working right from the get go with the supplied 3Ware
binary driver module.
2) I lost the system after applying a kernel security patch.
3) I retrieved the system after following the full 7 steps outlined in the
post and got the system to boot off the 3Ware RAID card *again* and with my
original data intact.

> (f) Linux has very different priorities to Solaris. And different uses.
> And a different development process. Stop complaining; try and understand
                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^
Again I have not complained.  Where are you getting this krap from?

> the different cultures, and look outside of your little field.

Oh I think I did quite well at looking outside my "little field".  I'd say
that there are not that many people who could have done what I did with
this system after I lost the RAID set and retrieved it intact.  The 3Ware
support guy was quite impressed.  Also - you have no idea who I am or how
broad or narrow my field is.

Regards,

Al Hopper  Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX.  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
           Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134
OpenSolaris Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005
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