On Sunday 21 May 2006 17:07, you wrote: > Matthew Gardiner wrote: > >On Sunday 21 May 2006 08:16, Dick Davies wrote: > >>Not really. GNOME needs to be aware of ACLs to take advantage of those > >>features. I don't see what business it is of GNOME what filesystem > >>it's running on. > > > >If the file system had features that can be tweaked for files, then those > >features should be exposed via an GUI; for example, if ZFS can 'compress' > > a file, then why not make it an option in the 'about this file' dialogue? > > or am have I crossed that sacred boundary of UNIX elitism to promoting > > the idea making a SUN product usable to the mere mortal? > > > >>If you mean you'd like a ZFS GUI admin tool, then by all means write one > >>(in whatever 'non-crappy' language you like), but that's not what I'd > >> call 'integration'. > > > >Isn't that SUN's job of writing software for their operating system - or > > have I fallen off the Apple bandwagon, and expecting too much from a > >software/hardware vendor? > > I tend to agree this time, a working GUI for a new feature (or useful > exiting ones) helps newcomers, especially those from the windows world, > make the transition to Solaris. Many of these people expect a GUI and > will walk away if one isn't provided. Maybe a GUI should be part of any > new feature's development? It wouldn't have to be comprehensive, just > enough support the common, day to day, tasks. > > Experienced UNIX users shun GUI applications in favour of the more > flexible and scriptable CLI, but if OpenSolaris is to appeal to the > masses (read those weaned on windows) a decent GUI is a must.
Have GUI and CLI; let them both live in perfect harmoney :-) Windows is popular, and cheap to run and maintain - even with all its problems, because of the low barrier to entry. For example (this is actually a real world case), a lawyer wanted a small server for his internal email, firewall etc. he bought a copy of Microsoft Small Business Server, plonked it on the server, followed the wizards and voila up and running. Try doing that with Solaris, and you'll have to be paying some poindexter $95 per hour to get the damn thing up and running - to that lawyer, it was cheaper for him to spend a Saturday evening setting up a server himself than pay a poindexter to do the same thing. Business Case (Since SUN Employees have multiple orgasms over the very idea) - customer decides he needs a server OS, customer purchases Dell machine as they're having a special that week, customer looks at the alternatives, Linux and Solaris all seem far too daunting for him, so he purchases Microsoft Small Business Server - Microsoft is now $1299 richer, and SUN has nothing. If there was *EVER* was a good business case, and that would be for SUN to wake up, smell the roses, and realise that the vast majority of businesses are small to medium size, and they don't have the time or resources to spend indulging into learning the voodoo magic behind UNIX and working the command line. Matty _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
