> On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Dennis Clarke wrote: > >> I think we need to point out to our Linux friends that once they do this >> that will will pollute the root directory with crud. Things like the >> .bash_history and if they actually login vie dtlogin/gdm or whatever that >> they will really bork it up wwith junk. > > Yes, for new (and 'un-seasoned') users this can be quite annoying. Linux > users don't really seem to mind doing things as root, so once they migrate > to Solaris,
then they hit the real world > they perform the same tasks and end up with a bloated /; > however, a bloated / will teach them to *minimize* the usage of root. You > shouldn't ever, ever start CDE, JDS, etc. as root nor should you start any > application as root that will store its preferences/settings/etc. I've > been able to live by this standard for quite some time, and it's suited me > well. If for some reason, I need to execute an X11 application as root, I > just login as my regular user, su, setup DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY and run > the application. > > $ ls -la > [snip] > drwxr-xr-x 30 root root 1024 Jan 12 22:00 .. > -rw------- 1 root root 156 Dec 26 09:07 .Xauthority > drwx------ 2 root root 512 Dec 26 09:08 .gconf > drwx------ 2 root root 512 Dec 26 09:08 .gconfd > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10 Dec 10 18:39 .profile > -rw------- 1 root root 4154 Jan 13 11:56 .sh_history > drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 512 Dec 25 22:57 .sunstudio > drwx------ 3 root root 512 Dec 10 17:44 .sunw > [snip] > > I think that amount of files in / on my primary workstation is quite > impressive. (don't ask me why .gconf* and .sun* are there) I find a few dot files show up in / pretty soon after install. >> What are things like in the AIX world Derek ? Is the root user at / or >> at /root by default ? > > / is root's home directory on AIX, as well, and it's usually quite messy > on any production system that I've seen, though, I can't remember why. > (smitty might store settings there or something) > >> Also .. I think that there is a PSARC/ARC/LARK/BARK ( or whatever its >> called ? RFE ? ) thing filed to allow /root to be the home for root by >> default. > > Yes, there's an RFE in progress to make /root root's home directory. > >> Be default, however, we can make other filesystems into ZFS once we step >> away from the root filesystem. The installer needs to catch up with the >> modern world. Or at least with 1997 or thereabouts. > > I don't really have any preference on this. Yes, it would be "cool" for > the installer to be able to format the root filesystem as ZFS, but UFS has > served be well for several years as the root filesystem. I will admit, > though, that I've been storing zones on one of my ZFS storage pools, and > snapshots+zones make excellent evaluation/development environments > (especially, for Oracle work). I will leave the root fs as usf personally. At least for a while. >> I'm having a "crap on that installer" day today because I had to suffer >> the >> laughes and jeers of some people in an office as I tried[1] to install >> Solaris on a Sun Blade 2500 unit. The installer was literally making the >> Linux guys laugh and someone may have had coffee come out his nose. It was >> so ugly, stupid and .. old. :-( > > I had a similar, though, contrary experience yesterday. I convinced one of > my professors to purchase an Ultra 80 about a month ago, and it finally > arrived. We set it up, started the Solaris 10 11/06 install process, and > he was quite impressed at the simplicity of the installer, as it does > everything it needs to (slice layout, package selection, etc.) and nothing > more. On another note, he seems to be quite impressed with his 10-year-old > workstation (the fact it had a *real* speaker internally was also > impressive). oh God. Yes a ten year old workstation will install just fine. I was working with a SB2500 with an FX-1200 in it and right after the first CDROM we had to reboot. Upon the boot I had that classic SendMail error totally screw up the installer screen. It was a travesty. > On another note, you'll probably be pleased to know that plans are in the > works for a completely new installer. I believe Dave Miner has been > working on this project, and from what he has said in previous > discussions, the installer should be Ubuntu-like (thus modern, if that's > your definition of modern :-) my definition of modern for out strips anything in the market today. We should not have to install a damn thing at all. This is 2007 and we are still feeding DVD's or CDROM's to machines and then trying to tell them how to do the most mundane stupid simple things .. like keep accurate time. The computer industry is twenty years behind where it should be and I blame commerce for that, not computer science. Dennis _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
