disregard my previous post - I didn't realise that you were having issues changing it. email me your new email address and i'll update your account.
cheers, steve On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 06:36:03PM -0800, S Destika wrote: > [b] To all - Please fix the forum s/w to allow me to change my email ID and I > promise I will do it next moment - please STOP complaining about it. I > believe it should be fixed the right way - which benefits all - by fixing the > forum software.[/b] > > > It's kind of interesting seeing a substantial > > percentage of Sun folks (who > > know the process inside of Sun BTW;-) that seem to > > feel we've made good > > progress. > It depends on how you define progress. I agree that most Sun folks feel they > have made good progress but like marketing folks they conveniently ignore > defining and quantifying progress. > > >OTOH, I would say most of the community > > folks don't feel it's made > > very much progress at all. Perspective is relative. > > That's true too and Alan I _really_ appreciate that you are the only Sun > employee to admit that. But I think the reality is that OpenSolaris has made > no progress whatsoever and when I say that I will not ignore defining and > quantifying it - > > So let us see what was the prime objective of OpenSolaris - Increase use of > Solaris (Use It), Let the community contribute improvements they need and > love ( Improve It ) and spread it so we further increase use and community > contributions(Evangelize). > > 1) Community participation has remained very low. To date greater than 90% > (very unscientific and conservative estimate) of OpenSolaris changes are > driven by Sun's business interests and they come from Sun employees. (Look at > commits, look at general development direction - nothing there for more x86 > drivers which is what community might benefit from) > 2) People do not feel they own a bit or two of OpenSolaris. That feeling > remains totally with Sun. (People have expressed this elsewhere in GPLv3 and > Community Participation threads) > 3) Contributing changes remains hard (Everyone agrees and does nothing > urgently about this - I am tired of hearing it is getting fixed) > > I clearly see this as failure in meeting all objectives. > > What should Sun do about this? Get out the way. It's really that simple. > > a) Open all the bits (no binary blobs for the main OS and libraries. No > dependencies which cannot be fixed/modified by people other than Sun employees > b) GPL v2 it ! (Ok, we can settle with v3 if it comes to it). Encourage > sharing of source both ways - it is the most logical thing to do. Like Alan > said you cannot ignore Linux however you would like. > c) Let people control changes in OpenSolaris. Let some one unrelated to Sun > setup a SCM and create a fair, inviting and truly open development model > where people can feel they can have a say and drive things and they can be > free to drive the development according to their needs > d) Let Sun pull changes they need from the open, independent tree. And let > the independent tree pull changes they need from Sun's development. No > conflict of interest. > > The need for independent ecosystem for OpenSolaris stems from very simple to > understand human nature - No sane person likes to work according to some one > else's needs, wants, priorities and on someone else's conditions, especially > when they are working for free. It kills the whole "open" spirit. > > So long as Sun asserts control over this (or even Java) project this isn't > going to get any different - Sun making most changes to Solaris, driven by > their business needs and very insignificant ( both numbers and change > magnitude/impact wise) community contributions. > > James C. M. - So if you feel complacent it remains this way, apart from > failing all objectives of the project (see http://opensolaris.org) what else > did this project achieve? > > > This message posted from opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > [email protected] -- stephen lau // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 650.786.0845 | http://whacked.net opensolaris // solaris kernel development _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
