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read the last line. --- Christopher Mahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I am about to say is fairly brutal, so if you're already > upset, > don't read further. > > > > > > > > --- UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Please understand that one of the reasons Solaris is superior to > > just about any other operating system out there is because Sun > > engineering has implemented structured processes to development. > > If you should go and work for some of the biggest UNIX customers > in > > the world, you would find that those companies *try* to mimic > that, > > and that there is just as much engineering done before any > changes > > to Solaris are made. > > I am an admin on wikipedia, was very active before my son was born, > and have some 3000+ edits logged there. It's written in PHP, with > apache and mySQL, and linux (Suse, a few Debian, a few others). > > According to Alexa, > http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=http://www.wikipedia.org > The agglomerated wikipedia sites are generating 4 billion page > views > per day and are ranked 12th in the world for all traffic. > > Now, PHP is admittedly one of the most insecure, badly designed > languages out there. It certainly does not compare to Lisp, Perl, > Python, or even Ruby in style and cohesion. It does not compare > with > Java in enterprisey-modularization. It does not compare well to > most > other languages for that matter. > > Yet, it's "Good Enough" to generate 4 billion pageviews per day. > > mySQL could use a good taking to by postgresql people, yet, well, > you > know, it cranks out the pageviews. > > Likewise Linux is a steaming pile of hack jobs, but while it's full > or faults and the engineering is, well, amateurish, it's cranking > out > the 4 billion page views... And at GOOG, it's cranking out 20 > billion > page views per day. > > For people who have a problem with that, look here: > http://www.google.com/finance?client=ig&q=GOOG > and see that GOOG market capitalization is $147 Billion. > SUNW's is $23 Billion. > For comparison, IBM's market cap it $149 Billion., Microsoft's is > $295 Billion, but that only means IBM + GOOG > MSFT (think about > that > for a moment). > > More comparisons: Oracle is at $90 Billion. SAP AG: $14 Billion. HP > is at $111 Billion. Apple is at $84 Billion. > > Why am I bothering the Engineers with a few details like that? > Because that's what the company CEOs look at. And if you think for > a > moment that the CIOs and the CEOs don't discuss Linux, you'd be > sadly > mistaken. Jonathan knows. He doesn't say anything out loud, but > it's > a well known fact: Linux has won, faults and all. And it has not > won > in the Academia and Computer Science realms, it has won where it > matters: in the Marketplace. Heck, Microsoft is feeling the heat > big > time. Not from Solaris, oh no... From Linux. > > The same Linux you people denigrate as being pushed by a bunch on > long-haired ideologues that can't put two sentences together > without > jumping in unison like penguins grunting "GPL GNU GPL GNU" > > Go watch the video again: > http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/good_bad_and_brave > and watch where Jonathan said "we almost died". > > Sun Microsystems sells hardware. The executive team looks to you, > and > pays your paychecks, to make an OS that will drive purchases of the > hardware. Solaris is the milk in the grocery store. > > You might think that people will want the Solaris because it's > advanced, rock solid, and of "great quality". You're wrong. For the > marketplace, Linux does that well enough. That's not a > differentiator. > > What you fail to realize is that Linus does not write paychecks. > People do it because they "believe". And if you think the Solaris > codebase is forbidding, you ought to take a look at Linux and the > GNU > userland. It's daunting to most people. Yet they do it. They go in > and roll up their sleeves and stay up until the wee hours of the > morning and drink coffee (Hi Dennis) and they Get It Done. > > You people love to make fun of Monkey Boy. He's the CEO of the > company ranked by Fortune to have the 7th largest profit in the > Fortune 700 List: > (http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune500/performers/companies/profits/index.html) > at $12 billion and change. Microsoft made more in net profit than > Sun > in total revenue in 1 year. And their OS are the whipping boys of > Computer Scientists everywhere. Lots of CEOs want to be him. > > Get off your high horse. Your technology is too complex, too > slow-moving, too difficult to get running, to difficult to patch, > change, and too difficult to write applications for. > > There is a reason it's free to download and use in production: it > costs as much to get it running and keep it running as it provides > in > benefit to the user. So in financial terms, it's value added is > zero. > > The reason why the Sun Executive team decided to open-source it, > and > with the CDDL, is because SUNW does not now and will not in the > future have the financial resources to continue developing Solaris > as > it has been in the past. They threw it over the wall because they > realized it was going to die inside. It may die outside, but it may > survive. It's sort of like a 14 year old thrown out of the > orphanage > and left out in the cold on the street to fend for himself. > > By the way, the CDDL was an unfortunate compromise. Java was > GPLv2'ed > for a reason: Sun Execs realized they made a mistake not GPLv2 > Solaris and they didn't want to repeat that. > > You can flame me all you want. You can say whatever you want. The > burtal fact remains: your UNIX customers don't pay your bills. Dump > them. Go with the millions of hackers out there who can take > Solaris > to the next level. > > Now, I work for a fortune 500. I make a living developing > applications. You may thing I'm not qualified to speak on these > kernel matters. You are right. But I am qualified to speak about > market adoption, about real-world use and expectations. I am > qualified to tell you that unless you embrace the Open Source > Community and license your product with the GPL (v2, 3 does not > exist) and get people to stay up working on it, it will die, and > all > of you working at Sun on Solaris will find yourself holding your > last > direct-deposit paycheck stub in one hand and scratching your scalp > with the other wondering in a shaky voice "Where did we go wrong?". > > You don't have a lot of time to do this either. I suppose that by > this summer, things are going to be set in stone, for better or > worse. > > I say all this because, as Jim will attest, I care. I am a > technologist at heart, and want this spectacular OS to benefit the > world in wonderful ways. I want all of you to feel proud of what > will > happen in the next 5, 10, 20 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris Mahan > 818.943.1850 cell > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.christophermahan.com/ > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > Chris Mahan 818.943.1850 cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.christophermahan.com/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
