--- UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Yes, well, a network enabled dist upgrade or
> package
> > upgrade are the two things I would be looking for.
> > Unless there are tools to help maintain hundreds
> of
> > servers which are divided into different groups
> > available...
> 
> Yes there are. Commercial tools. And they cost a lot
> of money. Some companies, like a really large bank
> which shall remain unnamed, developed her own
> software deployment server (on Solaris of course)
> and the bank manages thousands of server with it.
> 
> But, the bank also did engineering to make it
> happen. Standardized Solaris builds from Flash(TM)
> archives ensure that every server is *identical*. No
> ad-hoc modifications are ever performed (i.e. people
> NEVER log into these systems, especially not as
> root). In return, the environment is super-stable
> and they save boatloads of money and are able to
> deploy cutting-edge technology on a whim (which of
> course has to pass the engineering cycle, but in
> comparison to other banks, they are super-agile).
> 
> That's something `apt-get` and `yum update` can't
> even touch.  They don't even come close to doing
> anything like that.

Funny, I got the similar results for my mail servers
with anaconda kickstart, pxe, dhcp, tftp and grub save
for certain stuff in /etc. They all run the same
distro base, run the same software packages and
scriipts and don't require someone baby sitting them
during installation or upgrade. Almost fire and
forget.

> 
> What you want to do requires a lot of engineering.
> Even if you bought a commercial software to do
> platform management and provisioning, you'd still
> have to do tons and tons of engineering... write
> specifications, manuals, do proof of concept
> testing, develop or have a test suite developed...
> there is no magic bullet.

Yes yes.

> 
> But apt-get and yum are not the solution. Not by a
> longshot.

Worked for me. But whatever.

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