2007/6/1, Alan Burlison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Ian Murdock wrote: > People are getting too hung up over the "reference" aspect--and note that > that word wasn't even mentioned in the original proposal. If anything, it > has come up in the context of assuring people that multiple distros *can* > continue to exist even with OpenSolaris expanding to incorporate a distro, > and that we can avoid Linux-style fragmentation in the face of > multiple distros by thinking of the new thing as a reference. That is all. > > *Building a reference isn't the main goal*. What is the main goal? Making > OpenSolaris more accessible to people like this: [snip] How is Indiana going to fix his issue? Note he's not complaining about the lack of GNU tools (for example), he's complaining about not being able to find a download. This is *despite* the great big button on the home page that would allow him to order a starter kit, or the paragraph on the download page (1 click away) which says: ---------- Solaris Express, Community Edition is Sun's binary release for OpenSolaris developers (code named "Nevada"). It is built from the latest OpenSolaris source and additional technology that has not been published in the OpenSolaris source base. This release is unsupported. Developers can build the OpenSolaris source by using this release as the base system. It is updated every other Friday. ---------- Plus similar info for all the other distros. Which seems pretty damn clear to me. I talked to two people from the Indiana team a couple of weeks ago for over an hour, and at the end of it I *still* had no clear idea of what problem Indiana was supposed to solve or how, and I *still* don't. You've said that Indiana is going to fix this guy's problem - How? It seems to me that his problem is more to do with the mechanics of getting an install, not the contents of the install.
I think that the idea is clear, fixing the usability problems of OpenSolaris by creating a new binary distro within the opensolaris.org community, as a community effort. I think as a first goal Indiana should identify a comprehensive list of usability problems for newcomers, and then figure out solutions for that. It's pretty obvious to me, that all that problems should be implemented on a distribution, and some of those implementations might not fix on the existing ones (which doesn't mean that we cannot take advantage of the work that is already done). At the same time, I have the feeling that for production purposes, none is recommending anything but Solaris Express, and Solaris Express is not a distribution aimed to be easy to use however it has its own goals, which makes the idea of a new distribution, not necessarily a reference one, a good idea to me. You keep claiming that Indiana is going to solve all our problems
without explaining exactly what you think those problems are, and how you are going to fix them. We were all under the assumption (mistaken, it now seems) that Indiana was a reference distro, if it isn't, please tell us what it is. Glynn's project proposal mail says nothing more than telling us that Indiana is a distro (well, duh) with the aim of "increasing the userbase and growing mindshare in the volume market by providing easy access to the technology created within the OpenSolaris community" which is so general as to be meaningless - *any* distro helps do those things. As I've already said I fully support your right to run 'Project Indiana', whatever it actually is - even though I personally have no interest in it. But *please* stop telling us that you are going to fix every random gripe that someone makes. If you give us a specific, measurable and realistic list of goals we can have some sort of meaningful discussion about your project and whether we as individuals want to be involved. Until that happens, all you are doing is confusing people, and that's not going to incline them to want to help you. -- Alan Burlison -- _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
-- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz
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