On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 18:27 -0700, Glenn Lagasse wrote:
> * Kaiwai Gardiner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Wed, 2007-07-18 at 09:53 -0700, Stephen Lau wrote:
> > > UNIX admin wrote:
> > > >> Do you MEAN that OpenSolaris distro only thats short
> > > >> list ?
> > > > 
> > > > I do not believe that there would be very many happy people in the 
> > > > Solaris community if we started seeing a number forks, pardon, 
> > > > "distros" of Solaris increase.
> > > > 
> > > > One of the things we as a community have often communicated is that we 
> > > > abhore the Linux fragmentation and that we want a unified *platform*, 
> > > > in stark contrast with the Linux mentality.
> > > 
> > > Really?  I don't abhore the Linux fragmentation, and I don't recall a 
> > > consensus-community message where we communicated that at all.
> > 
> > I do, various distributions, all incompatibile with each other, no
> > standardisation process - people wonder why there are no commercial
> > applications and hardly any third party hardware support on Linux -
> > thats the elephant in the corner of the room.
> 
> Your kidding right?
> 
> Oracle isn't a commercial application?  And that was just off the top of
> my head.

For the desktop (forgot to add) - given the fabulous reputation that
Oracle has for security (chuckles) I wouldn't be using that as a poster
boy anytime soon.

Side note though, I'd love to see Notes 8 client been made available for
Solaris.

> I won't touch the hardware support.  But I don't think it's as dire as
> you claim.  Third party hardware support is probably better on Linux
> than on OpenSolaris.

How so? ATI drivers which are buggy and unreliable due to their
unsubstantiated paranoia over 'IP'.

I never said Linux was better, I said that when push comes to shove, and
a company had to choose between supporting a moveing target, Linux
driver API and ABI woes, and making their driver for Solaris - it makes
no sense investing into something that yields more pain and missery than
producing any more customers at the end of the day.

> I'm not saying having so many distributions is a good thing, especially
> when they all seem to implement things a little differently.  But let's
> face it, the kernel is the kernel (that's Linux after all) and that's
> mostly compatible between distributions.

Compatible?! talk to ATI customes who are at the mercy of whether
AMD/ATI can be stuffed creatingn compatible kernel drivers for their
distribution due to inter-distribution incompatibilities.

> And if you don't want to deal with the fragmentation, you don't have to.
> Pick a distribution that suits you and deploy it.  It seems to work for
> companies that run RHEL or Suse.
> 
> Different strokes for different folks as the saying goes.  The more
> distributions of OpenSolaris hopefully equals into more adoption of
> OpenSolaris and that can only be goodness imho.

If by distribution, there is the same shared core, with different array
of stuff floating ontop - great, variety is the spice of life. But when
the differences go from top to bottom, one might as well say its a whole
new operating system.

Matthew
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