Martin
It's better to keep an open mind. You kept a closed mind and couldn't
believe that a backup could be done any other way than what YOU thought it
could be. THAT is arrogant. And your words proved your arrogance.
It's sad that you don't work on Windows. Yes, Windows is more difficult than
Solaris, but it's well worth the time to learn it!
Feel free to continue to respond on this subject, but I'm done with it. Good
luck.
Anne
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Bochnig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 5:56 PM
To: Angie Moore
Cc: 'Al Hopper'; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] back to windows share -possible automated?
Anne,
I was just in the process of writing my apologies to you, for that I had
never heard of such a backup strategy before (backing up a Solaris system to
a WinNT box, rather than the opposite, if at all).
As I almost exclusively use sun4u as primary platform for 7 years now, I
don't really stayed in touch with what goes on on WinNT_x86. I therefore
never administered SAMBA. I may be an ignorant person, but I never even
desired to use it. I use Solaris, period. (Except - if I really need to
- DOS based Win9x versions inside SunPCI or qemu.) The term "odd proposal"
may have been the wrong word, but it had been the best idea that I managed
to get at 4:30AM: What I actually meant, is
this: Why not backing up a UNIX to a UNIX(-alike) system??
Further: I normally *never* respond to a thread, when I'm not 100% sure,
in- and out-, of what I am talking about. But here I had been confronted
with a classical data sufficiency problem (pls. do read your original mail).
That's *all* I could know about you, your question. Plus, there is a slight
time shift. And I had been awake for 20 hours.
I'm sorry that you took it personally and started such a hatred.
As I said, I wanted to write above apology, and now I see this:
Angie Moore wrote:
Al
You might want to step down from that mountain top and call a cigar
just a cigar. Don't make excuses for a rude, arrogant person.
Anne
I don't understand you.
Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: Al Hopper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 5:07 PM
To: Angie Moore
Cc: 'Martin Bochnig'; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] back to windows share -possible automated?
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Angie Moore wrote:
Wow, you're helpful and condescending/smartass all in one! I suggest
you learn your manners.
Angie - I believe that you're reading more "intonation" into Martins'
reply than was intended or than was actually present. What you've failed
to
realize, is that people from other cultures often have a very different
writing style and use English words "differently" - because they are
writing
in other than their native tongue. This would be entirely obvious to you
if
you had lived/worked outside the US for a period of time longer than 3
months. If you re-read Martins post ... again ... with what I've said in
mind, I think you'll see that what I just said above is accurate. IOW -
his
post is subject to a completely different and innocent intrepetation given
that he is thinking in German and writing in English.
As an aside, if you were to write a post to a German technical mailing
list
using your best efforts to write in german - I'm sure that you would use
words/phrases that would be likely to upset a native german speaker. The
difference is that most Europeans are used to people from other cultures
(including Americans) posting to mailing lists and are usually prepared to
cut them a *lot* of slack before they fly off the handle and assume that
they actually *meant* to be "condescending", sarcastic or act as a
"smartass".
Bear in mind that OpenSolaris is a global project with a large number of
community members who are not based in the USA and who do not have English
as their primary (spoken) language.
With this post in mind, do you wish to give Martin the benefit of the
doubt?
And do you realize why he says that he wished he had never replied -
despite
the fact that he had no intention of insulting you in any way or to
provide
other than the best help possible - given the scanty details you provided
in
the original post?
Another example: I lived/worked overseas in Morocco (North Africa) for an
extended period of time. When a Moroccan screwed up and you got really
mad
at him (usually one only interacted with males in the
workplace) and you were yelling and screaming in his face, his reaction
was,
assuming that he realized that he had totally screwed up and was 110%
embarrassed, to smile. Yes - he would show you his white teeth and smile
in
your face. Well - imagine if you're really pissed off at someone and they
start smiling back at you! What is your typical (European/American)
reaction going to be? Yes - you're going to get even more mad at the
individual; when, in reality, you've already achieved your goal and the
person you're yelling at has already _silently_ admitted his
screwup/embarrassment - by smiling back at you. The correct reaction (to
the smile) is to say: "OK - thanks - please don't screw up like that
again".
And then we move forward - water under the bridge - tomorrow is a new day.
BTW, my proposal is actually better than yours. Star has too many
limitations, compared the usefulness of smbmount to a Windows share.
You use smbmount in combination with cpio and it works wonderfully. If
you want some help, just shoot me an email. Your proposal is actually
"quite odd."
Based on what I wrote above - how bad does your reply now look.
Hopefully you don't have the keys to a minute man silo handy! :)
Anne
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Bochnig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:33 PM
To: Angie Moore
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] back to windows share -possible automated?
Hi Anne,
Angie Moore wrote:
All
I'm trying to backup my Open Solaris box to one of our Windows shares.
I'm trying to do this using a rather simple Bash script. However, I'm
using the smbmount command to do it, but it needs a password to be
inputted to work. Does anyone know how I can pass a password on a
Bash script?
the common syntax should be
<protocol>://<username>:<password>@<IPv4-Adress>
Or
Is there a better way to backing up my Open Solaris system to a
Windows 2003 share? It seems that the smbmount command is a bit a
headache.
Aehm, certainly: Come up with something else (as your proposal is
quite odd).
What do you intend to backup, somebody's $HOME ? (Why do you want to
do it that way, is there a special reason?)
Otherwise use star, tar or ufsdump. Or cpio. Though not in conjunction
with MS-WinNT, as for the latter two.
Best might be using star or /usr/bin/tar to do incremental backups to
DDS/4.
Else star' into a file and cp that file over to the WinNT box.
Simply copying over actual Solaris files (from ufs or zfs) makes no
sense (except for $HOME, with limitations), as the file systems are
too different and you cannot copy misc. special files or links to
whatever fstype which WinNT might understand
(FAT/FAT32(/HPFS3)/NTFS[4|5]).
Or use cdrecord in conjunction with rewritable DVD media, potentially
DL (9GB), use iso9660/hsfs, allow certain exceptions from the original
standard to allow filenames to begin with a period and such things.
Nevertheless, with star (then backing up the tar file) you might be
best served, in terms of potential data loss (file names and or file
types).
%m
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