Many people don't get the issues with Indiana here
Hello to all, I have followed the "development" of Indiana more or less from the beginning. And reading now the discussions about the problems of Indiana I see how the people just concentrate on a naming or trademarking path which is really also a problem but there are really other and greater problems. 1) My first comment goes to the people who came into the last threads about these naming issues to thank the Indiana group for their "great" work: Wake up, please! All they - the Indiana group - did was setting up a "work plan" (called a realease plan) for 6 months - nothing fancy here(copying Ubuntu) -, then taking up the sources - because they have them(!!) - and compiling it to a release set with some Gnome bits - nothing fancy here(copying Ubuntu) -, making a ISO - nothing fancy here - and putting it up to a FTP server - nothing fancy ... you get it. So you answer to me now:"Why did YOU not do it if this all is soo easy?" My answer: 2) GIVE ME THE SOURCE!!! Until today OpenSolaris is not a complete thing. a) You cannot just install a "base system" and compile this "base system" from sources using just this "base system". Because there is no "base system". You need for the most of the consolidations closed packages to built them. And the only really supported compiler is a closed compiler/IDE. b) The packages are not built from the sources. If you take the ON consolidation and compile it you don't get packages with which you can build up your own repository so you can get step for step to your own distribution. And this is true with most (if not all other) consolidations- the building blocks you would and have to use to build up your own distribution. c) There is nowhere a real place - speak forum, community, project - here on opensolaris.org where you get handholding to get your distribution - and with distribution I mean here an own repository, an own release, an own opensolaris site - up and running! There is not even a document from the people who made (Open)Solaris to get you started with your own distro. All things are behind many secrets (examples:"Do you really need the full install of SXCE to build this tiny part of it called ON/Net?", "How do you make an own CD with full install routines?") which you have to discover yourself but because many secrets are behind closed doors you cannot. To make it clear: This possibility that I can take even "business" distributions from the GNU/Linux world and make it my "own" created the many, many ideas and "markets" - communities and with that many business opprtunities around them -. For example: If Mr. Shuttleworth would have wanted to base Ubuntu on OpenSolaris you couldn't because there is 'til today no "stepping stone" for that. With OpenSolaris an Ubuntu is not possible. Ohh, yes, for SUN people it is possible because THEY HAVE THE SOURCE. 3) Indiana is a community project? (You know what community mean?? O'Really?) a) Show me one - and I want only one - proposal of someone from the community - speak a person outside of SUN - which did integrated into this iso of Indiana. I read 80-90% of all threads on th Indiana discussion group. Yes, there were many people who wrote their thoughts about Indiana. But until the end all real developments were closed up in a development station/repository anywhere in the halls of SUN. It was not? Then show me the open repository where people from outside SUN have checked in their scripts, code, config files or whatever. Please, show me. b) If Indiana would have been a community project then show me the "third party" projects and developments on sites other than opensolaris.org where experiments in various directions were made and from which some get then integrated into Indiana/OpenSolaris. It is not possible because not even "the source" is not available but also there is no guidance, no help, no nothing. Today in the GNU/Linux world what Indiana achived is nothing new, nothing special and so nothing fancy. You get the step for step recipies to compile and compile - the base system: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/ , the X11/GNOME/klicki-klicky-things: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/stable/ , the liveCD : http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/downloads/files/lfscd-remastering-howto.txt - to get in some hours to some days your own distro of GNU/Linux. The target to build up a developer community - developers who develop especially for and on OpenSolaris and also developers in the sense of distributions who make packages and packages- and the target to build up knowledge around OpenSolaris was NOT reached by the Indiana project. So you will not get the people who make a "Kubuntu" and then "Xubuntu" and then "whatever-buntu" from your Indiana. Because of all this I cannot believe that Indiana is getting a "Wow" here and the only thing the people are discussing are the naming issues. Wake up! Get real! ZFS, Dtrace and other bits which were THE argument to take (Open)Solaris are today in other projects/operating systems already - at least in the development -. The arguments are going away and you are still an uninviting and closed group - I don't know if this here can be called a community-. Excuse me, please, I don't want to start a flame and don't attack anyone: SUN was always a favorite company for me. My whole student of computer science life was in front of SUN workstations. Java is until today my favorite language. But in the way of building a realy Free Software community SUN has failed in my opinion, and you know that, some has to say or write the truth. regards Gueven This message posted from opensolaris.org _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
