If you are acquiring a new box instead of upgrading, consider systems with intel chips, Core 2 Quad these days owns Phenom (K10 based) Sun Ultra24 is quite a good choice.
Ivan. > Mark, > Thank you for all the information. What I am trying > g to do is find a > consumer product name that can be easily associated > with K8 vs K10 > architectures. This is the issue for those > purchasing machines to put > OpenSolaris on. When looking online, generally > speaking the > architecture is not something that HP (or other > system builder) puts on > it's sales material. I am just trying to find out as > much information > as I can. When I last went to the AMD site, I could > find stepping and > related information, but not what architecture each > chip was based on. > If I missed that information, please point me in the > right direction, it > would be greatly appreciated. > > This is where I have been looking. > > http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUFilter.aspx > > I haven't been able to find any mention on any of > f the product pages for > these chips which arch they use. I am probably > missing something. Any > help in pointing me in the right direction would be > greatly appreciated. > > Thank you again for your time. > > -LSA > > Mark Haywood wrote: > > I'm fairly certain that the Turion X2 and the > Athlon X2 6000+ are both > > K8 based which means Solaris is not able to power > manage them. The > > Athlon X2 6-series that I referred to are (from > what I've read) a > > rebranding of the Phenom X2. That might have > changed. The bottom line is > > that Solaris does not support CPU power management > of K8 based > > processors, but does support CPU power management > of K10 based processors. > > > > Mark > > > > list.serv.address wrote: > >> Mark, > >> Thanks for the information. Do you have any > information about the > >> Turion X2? Are the TL-60 and up going to have the > fix? I assume that > >> the Athlon X2 6000+ and up will have the fix. > Thanks. > > > >> -LSA > >> > >> > >> Mark Haywood wrote: > >> > >>> list.serv.address wrote: > >>> > >>>> On the topic, > >>>> Does anyone know if the new Phenom (Quad > core AMD brand) chips > >>>> will have the same power stepping issues as the > X2 AMD chips do? > >>>> Are any of the newer AMD X2 chip revisions going > to fix this issue? > >>>> > >>> The Phenom Quad-Core processors are based on the > K10 > >>> microarchitecture (also known as Family 10h > Processors) and should > >>> not have the TSC issues found with K8 (Family 0Fh > Processors). I > >>> believe that the Athlon X2 6-series will be K10 > based. Power > >>> management support for K10 processors integrated > into Nevada build 80. > >>> > >>> Mark > >>> > >>> > >>>> There is an issue with the AMDs TSC register > that won't be fixed > >>>> in the current generation of chips. So, the > general suggestion was > >>>> to stay away from purchasing the current AMD X2 > procesors since they > >>>> will probably never support power management. > The Intels are the > >>> ones that are getting the attention with regards > to power > >>>> management, since, if I understand the issue > correctly, they do not > >>>> have the problem. If the newer AMD X2 chips fix > this, the story may > >>>> change. See Casper's response attached. > >>>> > >>>> -LSA > >>>> > >>>> Attached: Casper's message on 06/13/2007 09:58 > AM > >>>> > >>>> > >any ideas if in the future we could see > powernowd supporting AMD > >>>> X2 or Opteron dual core systems ? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "Never" would be my best guess, for current > hardware. > >>>> > >>>> The reason is that Solaris is heavily dependent > on the TSC register > >>>> and expects the value of different CPUs to be in > sync to a certain > >>>> degree (fixed difference). > >>>> > >>>> Unfortunately, with the current Dual Core AMD > CPUs, the TSC register > >>>> varies with the clock frequencies; you can see > in the current powernow > >>>> code that it goes through some pretty hairy > loops to "make it right" > >>>> (much to the chagrin of DTrace which bypasses > the standard calls and > >>>> can't be "made right" using a loadable kernel > module) > >>>> > >>>> Solaris will shortly support clock switching on > Intel Core-duo CPUs; > >>>> but no clock switching at all on AMD CPUs until > newer CPUs are out. > >>>> > >>>> Casper > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> laptop-discuss mailing list > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ken mays wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> By the way, > >>>>> > >>>>> I should mention the newer 3-GHz Intel X6850 > quad-processor before > >>>>> the sun goes down on my little part of the > world. That may be the > >>>>> current contender for the AMD Phenom. > >>>>> > >>>>> ~ Ken > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>>> From: ken mays <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> To: Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > Andrew Watkins > >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> Cc: [email protected] > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:40:56 PM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Will OpenSolaris > work on a intel > >>>>> desktop Quad processor > >>>>> > >>>>> Dennis, > >>>>> > >>>>> The 8-core single processor market dominates. > You also have the new > >>>>> Quad-core AMD Phenom which will be officially > out soon and the > >>>>> Intel Q6700 processor. A dual Quad-Core > processor server will be a > >>>>> very nice machine for someone with the use. > >>>>> > >>>>> As my wallet bursts into flames, I'd look into > those Quad > >>>>> processors for commodity sake... > >>>>> > >>>>> ~ Ken > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ---- > >>>>> From: Dennis Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> To: Andrew Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> Cc: [email protected] > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:37:27 AM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Will OpenSolaris > work on a intel > >>>>> desktop Quad processor > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> I am finally biting the bullet and ditching my > work machine - a 9 > >>>>>> year > >>>>>> old Ultra 10 - for a new system I thought I > would go for the > >>>>>> fastest cpu > >>>>>> on the market. > >>>>>> > >>>>> At the risk of getting into endless loops of > debates about "fast" I > >>>>> just > >>>>> have to ask why you think that is the fastest > processor in the market? > >>>>> > >>>>> When you get it .. run the Radiance benchmark > which is heavy number > >>>>> crunching and then we shall see. Thus far no > one and nothing can > >>>>> touch an > >>>>> AMD Opteron running Solaris 10. > >>>>> > >>>>> see : > http://www.blastwave.org/articles/BLS-0059/index.html > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Dennis > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> opensolaris-discuss mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> > >>>>> > __________________________________________________ > >>>>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >>>>> http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > >>>>> opensolaris-discuss mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> > >>>>> > __________________________________________________ > >>>>> Do You Yahoo!? > >>>>> Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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