On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:32:18 -0500 "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Ken Gunderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:10:24 -0500 > > "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Ken Gunderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:46:38 -0500 > > > > "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 2:02 AM, Ken Gunderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > I've used both Gnome and KDE off and on since 0.x days but > > ditched both [snip] > > Right. But enabling such features should be an option, not default > > requirement. > > The law makes it a requirement. No it doesn't. It needs to be available as an option for those who require such in certain environments, but not all. [snip] > > And I've had it whispered in my ear that a lot of the decision by > > various US corps to back Gnome was based more on nationalism > > concerns than technical merit. > > The difference is that a Sun person is the one that stated that. It > wasn't "rumours" or "whispered in my ear." Call it what you like. Doesn't change reality... > > > > > Sun spent millions on GNOME in years past before xfce was really > > known > > > > > at all, so it makes sense for them to stick with their investment. > > > > > > > > No it doesn't. When you've made a mistake, smart leaders correct > > > > rather than pouring good money after bad. > > > > > > I haven't seen anything to prove it was a mistake yet. Can you cite instance where has Gnome replaced MS in corp/govt.? I can cite cases where KDE has. Seems to indicate to me that betting the farm on Gnome _might_ have been a mistake... > > > Quite the opposite. > > > > Then why, despite all this backing by various US corp entities, does > > Gnome still take back seat to KDE by something like 3:1 ratio in terms > > Where are you getting those statistics from? Google is your friend. You're an analyst. Don't make me do your legwork. > It doesn't make much sense given that: > > * RedHat uses GNOME by default and is the most well GNU/Linux distribution RedHat is a lame distro whose only "feature" is a psuedo offerings of indemnification and support that fail to actually pan out in the real world. Nobody I know uses it in production environment unless forced to do so by phb's lacking in technical competence, i.e. decisions based on politics rather that technical merit. > * Novell used GNOME by default in their enterprise distribution > > * Novell purchased Ximian years ago, which is a GNOME company > > * Sun chose GNOME years ago > > ..etc. > Debain, (K)Ubuntu, and Slackware of the most popular. But why are we talking about Linux? > I suppose it depends on whether you are looking at the US or European markets. Somewhat. KDE is defacto standard with most Euro govt. agencies I'm aware of that are on Linux platform. > > of user base? I'll venture a hypothesis: any *nix based DE is not going > > to be able to seriously compete w/MS for corp workstation in the > > foreseeable future. Hence the lack of uptake in this market despite > > That I can agree with. > > > the various periodic marketing pushes from Novell, IBM, etc. So who's > > left as user base? People smart enough to not want a crippled DE > > that's designed to be "usable" by lowest common demominator (e.g. does > > the print dialog still omit "duplex" option in name of > > "usability"?), and this sector seems to exhibit strong preference for > > KDE. > > Crippled is a matter of perspective. I consider almost all of the > current *NIX desktops to be crippled in one way or another. > > As for the rest; that's just opinion -- so no facts or figures are > going to make any difference there. > > > Thankfully there are some within Sun who see this issue differently than > > you and are actively working on porting of KDE;) > > *shrug* I don't really care. > > I spend most of my time in a terminal window or a browser. So do I. Plus email. It's pretty tough to get any work done when your DE/MUA is crashing daily. > Which desktop I'm using makes little difference in the end. I don't appreciate that you've inappropriately and erroneously changed the subject heading in what appears to be an effort at belittling my input by relegating to status of a "religious war". Especially since I am specifically not advocating for KDE. Yes, I applaud that others w/in Sun have so users will have another viable option when presented with what in my experience has been a terminally broken Gnome. In this context I have pointed to some things I do not like about Gnome related to lack of stability, sluggish performance, and purposeful crippling of capabilities that were formerly present under the guise of "usability". And also I would welcome a modern Xfce-4.4.x, as Blastwave's repo is still on 4.2, and quite out of date. -- Best regards, Ken Gunderson Q: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. A: Why is putting a reply at the top of the message frowned upon? _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
