My point, which I failed to communicate, about the .com site was that while .com was the site for OpenSolaris (the distro), the Firefox links in OpenSolaris 2008.05 all point to .org . This can only split the community of new 2008.05 users. I also don't believe the distro should be a seperate site. Perhaps if the current webapp on .org was more flexible it would have been done as a sub-site of .org, I don't know.
I realise Jive is a pain, and it has just recently been pointed out to me why having a bridge between Jive and the mailing list may not actually be a terrible good idea anyway - namely that messages appear in the mailing list with no context, whereas in the forum you at least have the messages above so you can see what a reply is referring to. Perhaps the way forward is simply a small number of developer-oriented mailing lists (since that seems to be what developer types prefer) and some web forums for the "end users"? I guess the real point I was trying to make was I was just a bit frustrated by things, which is probably not anyone's fault but my own. Cheers Andrew. On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 4:44 AM, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On 09/14/08 19:35, andrew wrote: > >> I would like to apologise for the above rant, and for posting it in the >> wrong place. I have now addressed to directly to Sun. If I have any future >> concerns I'll be sure to fire them straight at Sun instead of making rash >> accusations here. >> >> > hey ... thanks for the apology. > > It's ok to blow off some steam from time to time. We all have. :) But why > would you fire again at Sun? As a company, Sun has demonstrated its > commitment by making the multi-year, multi-million dollar strategic decision > to open tens of millions of lines of Solaris source code, to change the > Solaris business model to address new markets, to move development > infrastructure outside, and to ask that thousands of engineers work in the > community -- all without interrupting normal business operations of > building, shipping, and supporting products. I look around and I'm hard > pressed to find other companies making that level of commitment to > building/participating in communities. You were looking for assurances, > well, isn't that enough? I think it's fine to point out problems as we go > right here on these lists, but going after a corporation is only a > distraction and will not reduce your frustrations. Just offer to help. Trust > me, we all share your feeling of frustration over some of these issues. > > On Jive: We've been criticized for not building a community when the > reality is that we've grown so big and so fast that Jive can't handle the > number of list-forum gateways we have. We will replace Jive because it's not > good enough to handle our growth. However, before we replace the thing we > ought to step back and evaluate why we have forum-list gateways in the first > place. I'm not at all convinced it's worth the investment. I know Alan and > Bill have addressed the Jive issue on website-discuss, and I also think that > Alan/Bill/Derek and others deserve some credit for keeping the forums > working in the first place. > > On .com: The OpenSolaris 2008.xx distro needs its own site. It's not > fragmentation. It's growth. We can't expect that everything take place on > .org. Also, the OpenSolaris community doesn't all live here on this site. I > do a lot of community-building way out at the edge of the community, and I > see this all the time. And it's very cool. Now, can the addition of new > sites be confusing? Yep. And that's normal. I've been managing projects for > two decades and the confusion on this project is not at all unusual from > other rapidly growing projects I've been on in other industries. Again, see > it as a sign of growth. Things will shake out. Stay involved. Stay positive. > :) > > Jim > > -- > http://twitter.com/jimgris > > -- Andrew Pattison andrum04 at gmail dot com
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