I understand that but all I'm saying is that it is simply wrong when
applied to something like Open Solaris development. There are certainly
technical people here involved with OSOL 2010.06 and with /dev builds.
Before Oracle I'm sure they would explain what the issue is, etc.
Right now they can't and they keep silent. As I understand it it is not
their fault, it is Oracle's fault as a company. The problem is that it
has to be escalated to the management to get it right again. Otherwise
you are just discouraging lots of people, make some of your best allies
to go somewhere else, and you feed trolls as we've all have seen.
Getting the balance between a corporate environment and an open source
product like Open Solaris right is tricky. While Sun not necessarily did
the best job it worked pretty good. IMHO there was about right balance
between Sun's developers and community having a dialog and knowing what
was going on. Cutting all of that for non-Oracle people is not helping
at all. It only makes people to reconsider their options and possibly
walk away from Open Solaris. I can't see how it is going to help Oracle.
We've never had really much code contributions from the non-Sun folks
but we had some, including a couple from me. The problem is that the
current situation is so discouraging and I honestly hope it will change
really soon.
Again, I understand that developers are not to blame here but still it
needs to be changed.
Perhaps CAB should organize some kind of a petition and open letter
signed by community (both Sun and non-Sun people) which would state what
issues there are and it could be presented to senior management? Perhaps
if we organize a little bit it would make some difference.
--
Robert Milkowski
http://milek.blogspot.com
On 02/07/2010 09:44, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
Robert,
the reason we're silent is at least twofold, I guess...
1.) We simply don't know
2.) There had been way to much discussion with negative, even
offending words
Eric and Alan did at least try to describe, why we have to be silent.
Procedures at Oracle currently do not differentiate between
money-making and non-money making products. They apply to every
outbound messaging...
We all hope, it might change sooner then later, but those are
currently wishes... We employees discussing with you here are way to
low in the foodchain, so we don't have any insight into upper
management's thinking or their pending decisions or the reasons for
decisions being in pending state... We perform the same interpretation
based on the same set of information. And we are new inside Oracle, so
we don't know very much yet on what's "doable" and what's to be
"punishable"
The only thing we know for sure, is, that Oracle tends to perform big
announcements at Oralce Open World... And then some smaller
announcements once a quarter (like the x86 announcement this week)...
But we also do not know, what's going to be announced...
Matthias
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On 01/07/2010 22:03, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
Ken Gunderson wrote:
Thank you sincerely for clarifying that effectively everyone
outside of Oracle with an interest in this somehow came to same
deluded conclusion that there was going to be a 2010.H1 release.
I didn't say that - clearly there were plans and schedules
previously discussed
that were not met (and they were always plans and schedules, not
contracts or
guarantees) - I just said that there was no public statement yet
about what the
new plans/schedules are.
While I can understand it when it applies to commercial only products
it doesn't make much sense
when applied to open source products being in development.
I wouldn't except Oracle to publicly commit to Solaris 11 date but I
would definitely expect them to allow their engineers the same amount
of freedom Sun did when it comes to publicly talking about OS
development. Basically what happened recently is that all of you guys
went totally silent here. Then there are no new dev builds in form of
a distro and there is no new stable osol release either. At the same
time there is no clarification on why, etc. It is just plain wrong.
I hope Oracle will realize it rather sooner than later.
--
Robert Milkowski
http://milek.blogspot.com
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