On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:32 AM PDT, Richard L. Hamilton wrote:

> This is good in one way, and misleading in another.  AFAIK,
> Oracle support is premium only; no standard, let alone
> patch+SunSolve only.

They charge $120/system for only patches, updates, and security support.
q.v. Linux section of http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/pricing/price-lists
Or are you referring to Solaris pricing? If you're talking about Solaris then
yes, their new model appears to be a decision between whole system
support (hardware and software) or operating system support. If you take
this in context of their Linux pricing it appears that they are suggesting
that Solaris has "luxury car" pricing whereas Linux has "economy car"
pricing. Many on this list as well as those on the Illumos and OpenIndiana
lists have argued quite succinctly that Solaris and SPARC are still industry
leading technologies that offer a great deal of benefits that just can't be
matched by other architectures and/or operating systems. I believe some
of the discussion was also centered around RISC vs. CISC as well but
you're welcome to look through the archives for your own edification.

> Understand me: I want to see source, without dropping megabucks,
> even though I have no interest in creating my own distro (or feeding it
> to anyone else's).  Most particularly, I'd really like to  see as much of
> the source as possible for what I'm actually running, and a straightforward
> way of keeping my view of the source in sync with what I'm running.

AFAIK, the only source that's been restricted is the OS/Net portion of Solaris
which was never open sourced in the first place -- it was merely placed in a
public repository without any changes to its license and recently moved
back to a private repository. See the OS/Net description here for more info:
http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Community+Group+on

Everything else has thus far been unrestricted as that's how OpenIndiana
has been able to build their distribution in much the same way CentOS
and Oracle have been able to build theirs. The biggest differentiation is
in the lack of OS/Net updates going forward which is why the Illumos project
was formed in the first place. However, we're still waiting to see if/when
Oracle delivers their promised source drop of OS/Net but I don't imagine it
to come out as regularly as the Express builds but rather after their stable
mainline Solaris builds the same way Apple drops their Darwin source only
after a major binary patch release.

-Gary
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