On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Bryan Cantrill <bryancantr...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Gleb Kursou <kursou.g...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Forwarded conversation >> Subject: gdamore wishes he knew what would motivate more developers to >> work on illumos bugs.... >> ------------------------ >> >> From: Gleb Kursou <kursou.g...@gmail.com> >> Date: Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 3:24 PM >> To: disc...@lists.illumos.org, opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org >> Cc: garr...@damore.org >> >> >> Garrett, so you asked this question: "gdamore wishes he knew what >> would motivate more developers to work on illumos bugs...." >> >> I keep it short - and public - to start a discussion about how the >> Illumos gate should be managed. I - and many other people - think the >> biggest problem is *your* own behavior. This can be solved but >> requires a huge leap from you *first*. You need to work on your >> behavior towards people. > > Actually, Adam Leventhal (Delphix) and I each (separately) gave > answers to this question on behalf of our organizations -- and the > reason that we haven't contributed has to do much more with the fact > that our teams are still ramping up, and not at all with Garrett's > style. Further, I don't find your tone to be at all productive; if you > have such strong disagreements with illumos, start your own fork
Nah, a fork would only be necessary if the disagreements between persons or goals is unresolvable. But hey, we did fork Illumos. Why? Because we've observed Garrett D'Amore and Illumos over the course of two months beginning with September 2010 and our conclusion is that we can't join forces with Illumos at the current time if we wish to spend money from German and EU funding pools. One side has praised Garrett as good engineer but we have more than one side which describe him as "loose cannon" and the next Theo de Raadt, both which partially fit in our judgment when evaluating his management of Illumos affairs, his treatment of contributors and his tight, single-person control of the whole project. We don't want to have the same issue as DARPA had with Mr. Raadt and sink money and whole projects upon a single disagreement with a single person. What we need is a stable, open, meritocratic basis for cooperation based on shared control of the project and we have strong doubts if this will ever happen with Mr. D'Amore. We won't receive funding, even if we try to ignore the issues ourselves, because a simple analysis of the state of the Illumos project from the sides of DFG and CERN's project management has lead to similar conclusions. Therefore we had no choice and fork. We would be happy to join in the future but first Illumos must prove itself and that it can grow beyond being the project controlled by a single person. No manager likes single point of failures. Knut _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
