Hi, Alan asked if we can move this discussion to opensolaris-help. If you reply-all to this email, it won't go to the general list. (Alot of people don't have threaded email readers and tent to unsubscribe when there is a lot of traffic, that should be on other lists..
Thanks for your consideration, Brian P.S. - Did you get an answer to your question Angie? On 8/25/07, Angie Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martin > > It's better to keep an open mind. You kept a closed mind and couldn't > believe that a backup could be done any other way than what YOU thought it > could be. THAT is arrogant. And your words proved your arrogance. > > It's sad that you don't work on Windows. Yes, Windows is more difficult than > Solaris, but it's well worth the time to learn it! > > Feel free to continue to respond on this subject, but I'm done with it. Good > luck. > > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Bochnig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 5:56 PM > To: Angie Moore > Cc: 'Al Hopper'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] back to windows share -possible automated? > > Anne, > > I was just in the process of writing my apologies to you, for that I had > never heard of such a backup strategy before (backing up a Solaris system to > a WinNT box, rather than the opposite, if at all). > As I almost exclusively use sun4u as primary platform for 7 years now, I > don't really stayed in touch with what goes on on WinNT_x86. I therefore > never administered SAMBA. I may be an ignorant person, but I never even > desired to use it. I use Solaris, period. (Except - if I really need to > - DOS based Win9x versions inside SunPCI or qemu.) The term "odd proposal" > may have been the wrong word, but it had been the best idea that I managed > to get at 4:30AM: What I actually meant, is > this: Why not backing up a UNIX to a UNIX(-alike) system?? > Further: I normally *never* respond to a thread, when I'm not 100% sure, > in- and out-, of what I am talking about. But here I had been confronted > with a classical data sufficiency problem (pls. do read your original mail). > That's *all* I could know about you, your question. Plus, there is a slight > time shift. And I had been awake for 20 hours. > I'm sorry that you took it personally and started such a hatred. > > As I said, I wanted to write above apology, and now I see this: > > Angie Moore wrote: > > Al > > > > You might want to step down from that mountain top and call a cigar > > just a cigar. Don't make excuses for a rude, arrogant person. > > > > Anne > > > > I don't understand you. > > Martin > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Al Hopper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 5:07 PM > > To: Angie Moore > > Cc: 'Martin Bochnig'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] back to windows share -possible automated? > > > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Angie Moore wrote: > > > > > >> Wow, you're helpful and condescending/smartass all in one! I suggest > >> you learn your manners. > >> > > > > Angie - I believe that you're reading more "intonation" into Martins' > > reply than was intended or than was actually present. What you've failed > to > > realize, is that people from other cultures often have a very different > > writing style and use English words "differently" - because they are > writing > > in other than their native tongue. This would be entirely obvious to you > if > > you had lived/worked outside the US for a period of time longer than 3 > > months. If you re-read Martins post ... again ... with what I've said in > > mind, I think you'll see that what I just said above is accurate. IOW - > his > > post is subject to a completely different and innocent intrepetation given > > that he is thinking in German and writing in English. > > > > As an aside, if you were to write a post to a German technical mailing > list > > using your best efforts to write in german - I'm sure that you would use > > words/phrases that would be likely to upset a native german speaker. The > > difference is that most Europeans are used to people from other cultures > > (including Americans) posting to mailing lists and are usually prepared to > > cut them a *lot* of slack before they fly off the handle and assume that > > they actually *meant* to be "condescending", sarcastic or act as a > > "smartass". > > > > Bear in mind that OpenSolaris is a global project with a large number of > > community members who are not based in the USA and who do not have English > > as their primary (spoken) language. > > > > With this post in mind, do you wish to give Martin the benefit of the > doubt? > > And do you realize why he says that he wished he had never replied - > despite > > the fact that he had no intention of insulting you in any way or to > provide > > other than the best help possible - given the scanty details you provided > in > > the original post? > > > > Another example: I lived/worked overseas in Morocco (North Africa) for an > > extended period of time. When a Moroccan screwed up and you got really > mad > > at him (usually one only interacted with males in the > > workplace) and you were yelling and screaming in his face, his reaction > was, > > assuming that he realized that he had totally screwed up and was 110% > > embarrassed, to smile. Yes - he would show you his white teeth and smile > in > > your face. Well - imagine if you're really pissed off at someone and they > > start smiling back at you! What is your typical (European/American) > > reaction going to be? Yes - you're going to get even more mad at the > > individual; when, in reality, you've already achieved your goal and the > > person you're yelling at has already _silently_ admitted his > > screwup/embarrassment - by smiling back at you. The correct reaction (to > > the smile) is to say: "OK - thanks - please don't screw up like that > again". > > And then we move forward - water under the bridge - tomorrow is a new day. > > > > > >> BTW, my proposal is actually better than yours. Star has too many > >> limitations, compared the usefulness of smbmount to a Windows share. > >> You use smbmount in combination with cpio and it works wonderfully. If > >> you want some help, just shoot me an email. Your proposal is actually > >> > > "quite odd." > > > > Based on what I wrote above - how bad does your reply now look. > > Hopefully you don't have the keys to a minute man silo handy! :) > > > > > >> Anne > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Martin Bochnig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:33 PM > >> To: Angie Moore > >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] back to windows share -possible automated? > >> > >> Hi Anne, > >> > >> Angie Moore wrote: > >> > >>> All > >>> > >>> I'm trying to backup my Open Solaris box to one of our Windows shares. > >>> I'm trying to do this using a rather simple Bash script. However, I'm > >>> using the smbmount command to do it, but it needs a password to be > >>> inputted to work. Does anyone know how I can pass a password on a > >>> Bash script? > >>> > >> the common syntax should be > >> <protocol>://<username>:<password>@<IPv4-Adress> > >> > >>> Or > >>> > >>> Is there a better way to backing up my Open Solaris system to a > >>> Windows 2003 share? It seems that the smbmount command is a bit a > >>> headache. > >>> > >>> > >> Aehm, certainly: Come up with something else (as your proposal is > >> quite odd). > >> What do you intend to backup, somebody's $HOME ? (Why do you want to > >> do it that way, is there a special reason?) > >> > >> Otherwise use star, tar or ufsdump. Or cpio. Though not in conjunction > >> with MS-WinNT, as for the latter two. > >> Best might be using star or /usr/bin/tar to do incremental backups to > >> > > DDS/4. > > > >> Else star' into a file and cp that file over to the WinNT box. > >> Simply copying over actual Solaris files (from ufs or zfs) makes no > >> sense (except for $HOME, with limitations), as the file systems are > >> too different and you cannot copy misc. special files or links to > >> whatever fstype which WinNT might understand > >> > > (FAT/FAT32(/HPFS3)/NTFS[4|5]). > > > >> Or use cdrecord in conjunction with rewritable DVD media, potentially > >> DL (9GB), use iso9660/hsfs, allow certain exceptions from the original > >> standard to allow filenames to begin with a period and such things. > >> > >> Nevertheless, with star (then backing up the tar file) you might be > >> best served, in terms of potential data loss (file names and or file > >> > > types). > > > >> %m > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> opensolaris-discuss mailing list > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > > > > Regards, > > > > Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT > > OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 > > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ _______________________________________________ opensolaris-help mailing list [email protected]
