Sorry to disappoint you, Aleric... I am not a Linden... just me :) I run a software and consulting business in the virtual world/virtual space market, that is focused primarily (95% +/-) on SL, at the moment. That number is likely to decrease over time, as more and more viable alternatives for my customers come online.
- JB On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Aleric Inglewood <aleric.inglew...@gmail.com > wrote: > Clearly, no open source developer can accept the possibility to be held > liable for their help, by supplying patches. > > Therefore, we CANNOT agree with the TPV policy unless we understand > its implications, as explained by a real lawyer, preferably one of Linden > Lab, > where it is made clear that developers are not liable for 1) bugs, 2) what > others > do with their source code, aka the general idea of the GPL. > > Until that has been established, officially, I do NOT agree with the TPV > policy. > DISCLAIMER: > When I got the pop-up that asked me to agree I made a point of it to NOT > accept it, but spend first an hour to write a patch that made it possible > for > me to click on 'cancel' and still login. I then removed that patch again > (and > can still log in). Since the TOS/TPVp isn't effective as of 30 April, this > is > not an illegal thing to do. If I do not get another pop-up at 30 April (and > I > predict I won't), then I will still not have agreed to the TPV policy. > > Nevertheless, this is a very undesirable situation of course. So, indeed > as JB Hancroft says (who sounds like a Linden with a gmail account :p ), > it's better to leave completely. Leave SL, and obviously also stop helping > to improve the viewer code. Unfortunately, if it would only be me it will > have > no effect and will be useless: I would only harm myself because I like > using SL and I like working on snowglobe AND we know that Linden Lab > *really* only wants something that we (and I) CAN agree with. It's just > that they didn't restrict themselves to the real goal of the TPVp. This > whole conflict is utterly unnecessary! > > Hence, leaving without that that would result in Linden Lab fixing this > situation and changing the TPVp (or have an official lawyer statement > that we can understand and agree with) would be too ridiculous for > words. > > However, I *am* prepared to do this if I'm not the only one. > > I have not seen the real contributors, Robin, Boroondas, Dzonatas, > Techwolf, Thickbrick (the *currently* most active ones that I know from > IRC / my timezone) say much on this topic. But it's your collective > feeling (and action) that will count here. > > Who of the active contributors (speak up if I missed you) are willing to > make a stand and stop at least developing for snowglobe, unless we > get a clear, understandable and official explanation what kind of legal > liability TPV devs are facing? Don't you think we owe that to the other > open developers that do not work on snowglobe, but on some TPV? > > PS LL, please don't tell me this should be posted on this list. > because it "calls for ... something you don't like. I'd rather use > this list and discuss it in the open, with everyone involved, > than approach all the devs off-list. Or set up a new mailinglist without > Lindens on it. Seems really the right thing to do. > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:41 PM, JB Hancroft <jbhancr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Here are my thoughts: >> >> 1) If you're not an attorney, please do the rest of us a favor by not >> acting like one. >> The TPVP is a legal document, and while we all have opinions, opinions >> that are based on something other than legal understanding and >> experience >> are more likely to contribute to the body of urban legend, than >> clarify and inform. >> The law is the law, and whether we like it or not, my understanding is >> that >> applying rationale to it's interpretation is a fool's errand. >> >> 2) If you've got a 3rd-party viewer, and the TPVP is an issue for you, >> then this isn't >> the forum in which to resolve it. Take it to Linden Lab via the >> legal >> system, with your legal counsel involved. >> >> 3) Second Life is a business; it's not "our" social cause. If you don't >> like the way >> things are, you certainly have a right to bitch and complain and lobby >> for change. >> But at some point, you're just going to annoy people. Linden Lab >> employees >> have already noted the "noise-to-signal ratio" they've observed in the >> process of >> extracting what they consider to be valid input and feedback. >> >> 4) If you want to argue as a hobby, please... enjoy. I'm asking that you >> please do it >> somewhere else. If you truly believe the situation with the TPVP is >> all evil and >> bad and not workable, then please "leave". If you don't like the >> game, don't play. >> >> Yes, there are many ways in which what I've written here can be argued and >> dissected >> and found lacking. Please... don't bother; spend your time in a more >> productive way. >> >> - JB >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >> Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting >> privileges >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting > privileges >
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