Making the server version notifications feature disabled by default, but keeping the option to enable it with more debug info in it accomplishes the both sides nicely. It doesn't confuse the casual user and it helps a pro make SL better.
Removing stuff just for the sake of simplicity, without considering other criteria, is counter productive. You could remove "confusing" statistics panel (ctrl-shift-1) next? After all the "casual Second Life user" ¨must be mystified with it (and LSL can tell you time dilation just fine). How about all the fast timers/texture console, etc etc. Again, instrumentation of the viewer for debugging is one of its strengths. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Sarah (Esbee) Kuehnle <es...@lindenlab.com> wrote: > The data is available via LSL - llGetEnv(). If you think about it, it makes > much more sense for this to be a HUD for Residents who are interested in the > information. For casual Second Life users, this information creates > additional notification pop-ups and create confusion for people who don't > know or care that the regions they enter are running different server > versions. > > This is not a feature belongs in the Viewer. If there's more data you want > out of llGetEnv(), I'd suggest filing an SVC feature request. > > --Esbee > > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Erin Mallory <angel_of_crim...@hotmail.com> > wrote: >> >> I can live with that. I got much more important features /design issues to >> fight over. :) >> >> >> > From: q...@lindenlab.com >> > Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:37:34 -0500 >> > To: liny.od...@phoenixviewer.com >> > CC: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com >> > Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] STORM-243 - simulator version >> > notifications >> > >> > It's not gonna be a debug setting. The information's available to put it >> > on a HUD if you care. We're pulling the feature and simplifying the viewer. >> > >> > On Jan 18, 2011, at 4:35 PM, Liny Odell wrote: >> > >> > > Make that +2 for a debug setting >> > > >> > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Trilo Byte <trilobyte5...@gmail.com> >> > > wrote: >> > >> +1 for making it a debug setting (to choose whether you see >> > >> notifications). >> > >> >> > >> The server version info would still be available in Help -> About as >> > >> well as >> > >> World -> Place Profile -> Region/Estate >> > >> On Jan 18, 2011, at 11:39 AM, Erin Mallory wrote: >> > >> >> > >> could even bury the option in the debug console... most people that >> > >> would >> > >> need to turn it on would not likely keep flipping it I would think... >> > >> >> > >> ________________________________ >> > >> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:32:53 -0800 >> > >> From: os...@lindenlab.com >> > >> To: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com >> > >> Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] STORM-243 - simulator version >> > >> notifications >> > >> >> > >> It does have use for people testing server. I'd say make it optional, >> > >> more >> > >> informative, and disabled by default. >> > >> >> > >> __Oskar >> > >> >> > >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Erin >> > >> Mallory <angel_of_crim...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> > >> to rephrase, yes I like them, thought i'd rather see them on the chat >> > >> history and have more detailed. but i can live without them if the >> > >> majority >> > >> really want to see them gone altogether. for me it helps me during >> > >> certain >> > >> testing and stuff to know when ive changed server versions but that's >> > >> really >> > >> about it. >> > >> >> > >> ________________________________ >> > >> From: angel_of_crim...@hotmail.com >> > >> To: missannoto...@yahoo.com; q...@lindenlab.com; >> > >> opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com >> > >> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:04:09 -0500 >> > >> Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] STORM-243 - simulator version >> > >> notifications >> > >> >> > >> I would also like to see the toast moved. it can be useful and would >> > >> be >> > >> more useful if it had the actual version. but i would like to see it >> > >> on the >> > >> chat history instead. in fact... it would be nice to have an option >> > >> to have >> > >> ALL remaining system notifications be optionally shown in chat >> > >> history >> > >> instead of as toasts. for one thing it would log better i think, for >> > >> another... well toasts bother a rather significant portion of sl. >> > >> those >> > >> with some forms of epilepsy, migraines, some forms of add... to name >> > >> a >> > >> few... >> > >> >> > >> Erin/aka Cummere >> > >> >> > >> ________________________________ >> > >> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 08:35:01 -0800 >> > >> From: missannoto...@yahoo.com >> > >> To: q...@lindenlab.com; opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com >> > >> Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] STORM-243 - simulator version >> > >> notifications >> > >> >> > >> Doesn't it add some minor overhead to region crossings? I don't care >> > >> about >> > >> it. The message does not say what server version you just entered so >> > >> it is >> > >> mostly an annoyance. If I need version info I know where it is. >> > >> >> > >> What I would like to see is region rating and a single letter server >> > >> version >> > >> code on the map without having to mouse float. >> > >> >> > >> ________________________________ >> > >> From: Kent Quirk (Q Linden) <q...@lindenlab.com> >> > >> >> > >> Hi, folks. I've just commented on STORM-243, which requests that we >> > >> have Yet >> > >> Another Option to allow suppression of the toast that tells you the >> > >> simulator version changed when you changed to a new region. >> > >> >> > >> I think we should delete it entirely. Does anyone care to still get >> > >> that >> > >> notification, now that there are usually 3 different simulator >> > >> versions live >> > >> on the grid at any time? I don't mean "I can think of an obscure >> > >> scenario >> > >> when someone might care." I mean does anyone really need a >> > >> notification >> > >> about this, or can we just delete it? >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ Policies and >> > >> (un)subscribe >> > >> information available >> > >> here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the >> > >> policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges >> > >> _______________________________________________ Policies and >> > >> (un)subscribe >> > >> information available >> > >> here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the >> > >> policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >> > >> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >> > >> Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting >> > >> privileges >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ Policies and >> > >> (un)subscribe >> > >> information available >> > >> here:http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the >> > >> policies >> > >> before posting to keep unmoderated posting >> > >> privileges _______________________________________________ >> > >> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >> > >> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >> > >> Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting >> > >> privileges >> > >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >> > >> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >> > >> Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting >> > >> privileges >> > >> >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >> > > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >> > > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting >> > > privileges >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >> > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >> > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting >> > privileges >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >> Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting >> privileges > > > _______________________________________________ > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting > privileges > _______________________________________________ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
