Re: Unjust Banning of residents? Don't wast time appealing. I did and got nothing but stonewalling from Support. Although they admitted they suspended my account for an invalid reason, they would not reveal any details. Claiming only that I was using a viewer that "MIGHT" violate the TPV, since it was not listed in the TPV directory.
On 8/16/2011 3:17 PM, opensource-dev-requ...@lists.secondlife.com wrote: > Send opensource-dev mailing list submissions to > opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensource-dev > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > opensource-dev-requ...@lists.secondlife.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > opensource-dev-ow...@lists.secondlife.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of opensource-dev digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Unjust Banning of residents? (mala...@tamzap.com) > 2. Re: Unjust Banning of residents? (Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)) > 3. Re: Unjust Banning of residents? (Erin Mallory) > 4. Re: OS X Lion (Yoz Grahame) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:14:24 -0700 > From: mala...@tamzap.com > Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Unjust Banning of residents? > To:<opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com> > Message-ID:<651e5d29e95ffa9e5a658e241bf17...@tamzap.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > the only viewers on this computer are singularity and > viewer-developments source code. > > On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:12:13 -0700, Brian McGroarty wrote: >> What were some of the viewers you tested on that account? Typically, >> the trigger would have been within the last month. >> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Erin Mallory wrote: >> >>> im just like wtf?? the account i got hit by (which i sent the >>> name of to oz) is still showing active... in search... but its one >> i >>> rarely use.? mostly for hiding and/or testing stuff.? Im hearing >>> the same from other people too now though in other groups im >> in...? >>> >>>> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:04:11 -0700 >>>> From: mala...@tamzap.com [1] >>>> To: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com [2] >>>> Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Unjust Banning of residents? >>>> >>>> I knew it couldnt be just a single event. There is something >>> going on >>>> at Linden Lab and honest developers are losing their accounts >>> over it. >>>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:46:29 -0400, Erin Mallory wrote: >>>>> I have been hit with this as well on one of my alts. >>> interestingly, I >>>>> have only ever logged that account in with v-d builds or >>> firestorm. >>>>> I've sent an abuse report asking for clarification. im about >>> to >>>>> contact support. >>>>> >>>>>> From: jess...@trinityenterprises.ca [3] >>>>>> To: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com [4] >>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:41:56 -0400 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Unjust Banning of residents? >>>>>> >>>>>> This is interesting as our support team has had reports of >>> this >>>>> from some of >>>>>> our own users. We figured it was phishing and suggested said >>> users >>>>> contact >>>>>> LL. I don't know the results however... >>>>>> >>>>>> Jessica Lyon >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com [5] >>>>>> [mailto:opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com [6]] On >>> Behalf Of >>>>>> mala...@tamzap.com [7] >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 2:23 PM >>>>>> To: Marine Kelley >>>>>> Cc: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com [8] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Unjust Banning of residents? >>>>>> >>>>>> I thought it was a phishing attempt as well. But the account >>> has >>>>> been >>>>>> removed from second life. POOF. so unless some phisher has the >>>>> ability >>>>>> to terminate accounts this is as real as it gets. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:21:48 +0200, Marine Kelley wrote: >>>>>>> Careful, it could be a phishing attempt. Do NOT click on any >>> of >>>>> the >>>>>>> links inside this email (unless you're certain it comes from >>>>> Linden >>>>>>> Lab, but then again emails can be spoofed). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 16/08/2011, mala...@tamzap.com [9] wrote: >>>>>>>> exactly which is why this message is so disturbing. >>> accounts >>>>> have >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>> terminated from second life for using a viewer not listed >>> in the >>>>>>>> directory. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "This email is notification that Linden Lab has terminated >>>>>>>> your access to the Second Life virtual world due to severe >>>>>>>> or repeated violations of the Second Life Terms of Service >>>>>>>> or Community Standards. Your (account name >>> 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx') >>>>> and >>>>>>>> alternate Second Life accounts have been >>>>>>>> made permanently inaccessible." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:33:39 -0400, Erin Mallory wrote: >>>>>>>>> Last I checked there is no requirement to use an approved >>> tvp. >>>>> even >>>>>>>>> on the tvp listing page. Looking at the policy and the >>>>> directory >>>>>>>>> pages, no where does it say that the viewer must be listed >>> in >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> tvp... >>>>>>>>> http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php [10] >>>>>>>>> >>> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Third_Party_Viewer_Directory [11] >>>>>>>>> "You may connect to Second Life using software released by >>> a >>>>>>>>> third-party developer. Linden Lab provides a Policy on >>>>> Third-Party >>>>>>>>> Viewers [1] to promote a positive and predictable >>> experience >>>>> for >>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>> Second Life Residents." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:23:21 -0700 >>>>>>>>>> From: mala...@tamzap.com [12] >>>>>>>>>> To: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com [13] >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [opensource-dev] Unjust Banning of residents? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Violation: Third Party Viewer Usage >>>>>>>>>> You are connecting to the grid with a viewer that is not >>> in >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> third >>>>>>>>>> party viewer directory. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> However... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A viewer does not need to be on the Third Party Viewer >>>>> Directory >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> order for development or usage of it to be compliant with >>> the >>>>>>>>>> Third >>>>>>>>>> Party Viewer Policy (see Policy on Third-Party Viewers | >>>>> Second >>>>>>>>> Life) >>>>>>>>>> and the Terms of Service. While I am sure you are well >>> aware >>>>> of >>>>>>>>> this, it >>>>>>>>>> can also be deduced through common sense that the open >>> source >>>>>>>>> program >>>>>>>>>> (Snowstorm, Snowglobe, etc) would not be able to exist in >>> an >>>>>>>>> environment >>>>>>>>>> where every personal compile had to be listed on the TPVD >>>>> before >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> could even begin to undergo any form of live quality >>> assurance >>>>>>>>>> processes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Long story short, unless there have been recent changes >>> to the >>>>>>>>> Terms of >>>>>>>>>> Service that I am unaware of, or if there are relevant >>>>> sections >>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>> have missed that indicate that a viewer that complies >>> with the >>>>>>>>> Third >>>>>>>>>> Party Viewer Policy still must be in the Directory to be >>>>>>>>> legitimately >>>>>>>>>> used, I would request that you provide me with them. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What this means is every single BETA tester for every >>> client >>>>> on >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> TPVD is at risk of losing their accounts because that >>> compiled >>>>>>>>> version >>>>>>>>>> of that client is not listed on the TPVD. Each and every >>>>> Developer >>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>> has worked so hard to help Linden Lab build their Client >>> into >>>>> what >>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>>> is at risk of losing their accounts because each time >>> they >>>>>>>>> recompile the >>>>>>>>>> source it isn't listed in the TPVD and is now considered >>> a >>>>>>>>> Violation of >>>>>>>>>> some hidden TOS clause. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am posting this to this forum because I wanted to get >>> feed >>>>> back >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>> the community. As I myself and a developer who has >>> contributed >>>>>>>>> patches >>>>>>>>>> to various TPVD Clients and am now finding myself >>> cautious to >>>>> even >>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>> these clients source codes to help them. I would like >>>>>>>>>> clarification >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>> Linden Lab as well as other Developers on this new >>> banning >>>>> policy >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> is requiring every compiled client that connects to >>> second >>>>> life to >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> listed in the TPVD. >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev [14] >>>>>>>>>> Please read the policies before posting to keep >>> unmoderated >>>>>>>>>> posting >>>>>>>>> privileges >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Links: >>>>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>>>> [1] http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php [15] >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >>>>>>>> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev [16] >>>>>>>> Please read the policies before posting to keep >>> unmoderated >>>>> posting >>>>>>>> privileges >>>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >>>>>> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev [17] >>>>>> Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated >>> posting >>>>>> privileges >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >>>>>> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev [18] >>>>>> Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated >>> posting >>>>> privileges >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >>>> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev [19] >>>> Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated >>> posting privileges >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >>> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev [20] >>> Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated >>> posting privileges >> -- >> Brian McGroarty | Linden Lab >> Sent from my Newton MP2100 via acoustic coupler >> >> >> Links: >> ------ >> [1] mailto:mala...@tamzap.com >> [2] mailto:opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com >> [3] mailto:jess...@trinityenterprises.ca >> [4] mailto:opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com >> [5] mailto:opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com >> [6] mailto:opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com >> [7] mailto:mala...@tamzap.com >> [8] mailto:opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com >> [9] mailto:mala...@tamzap.com >> [10] http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php >> [11] http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Third_Party_Viewer_Directory >> [12] mailto:mala...@tamzap.com >> [13] mailto:opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com >> [14] http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >> [15] http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php >> [16] http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >> [17] http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >> [18] http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >> [19] http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >> [20] http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >> [21] mailto:angel_of_crim...@hotmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:14:35 -0400 > From: "Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)"<o...@lindenlab.com> > Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Unjust Banning of residents? > To: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com > Message-ID:<4e4ac19b.2020...@lindenlab.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On 2011-08-16 13:23, mala...@tamzap.com wrote: >> Violation: Third Party Viewer Usage >> You are connecting to the grid with a viewer that is not in the third >> party viewer directory. > That message was unfortunately not constructed well, and steps have been > taken to make sure that misleading phrasing is not used in future messages. > > Let me be clear: > > * There has been no change in the Policy on Third Party Viewers or the > Terms of Service. > * It is ok to connect to Second Life with any viewer that complies > with the Policy on Third Party Viewers, even if that viewer is not > in the Third Party Viewer Directory. > > > I will not comment on whether or not any particular enforcement action > was justified, and suggest that public mailing lists and forums are not > the best place to discuss individual cases. If you believe that your > account was improperly affected, the process you should follow is here: > http://bit.ly/hBIjz > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/opensource-dev/attachments/20110816/012cd0f6/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:19:33 -0400 > From: Erin Mallory<angel_of_crim...@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Unjust Banning of residents? > To:<o...@lindenlab.com>,<opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com> > Message-ID:<snt136-w2517164499dd98a594b0dec0...@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > could some or all of the viewer-development builds be triggering something at > LL incorrectly and causing them to be seen as banned or otherwise > illegitimate viewers? > > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:14:35 -0400 > From: o...@lindenlab.com > To: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com > Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Unjust Banning of residents? > > > > > > > > > On 2011-08-16 13:23, mala...@tamzap.com wrote: > > Violation: Third Party Viewer Usage > You are connecting to the grid with a viewer that is not in the third > party viewer directory. > > > > > That message was unfortunately not constructed well, and steps have > been taken to make sure that misleading phrasing is not used in > future messages. > > > > Let me be clear: > > > There has been no change in the Policy on Third Party Viewers > or the Terms of Service. > It is ok to connect to Second Life with any viewer that > complies with the Policy on Third Party Viewers, even if that > viewer is not in the Third Party Viewer Directory. > > > > I will not comment on whether or not any particular enforcement > action was justified, and suggest that public mailing lists and > forums are not the best place to discuss individual cases. If you > believe that your account was improperly affected, the process you > should follow is here: http://bit.ly/hBIjz > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting > privileges > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/opensource-dev/attachments/20110816/437b7400/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:17:32 -0700 > From: Yoz Grahame<y...@lindenlab.com> > Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] OS X Lion > To: Lee ponzu<lee.po...@gmail.com> > Cc: Opensource_dev<opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com> > Message-ID:<e7b982640f624799b0fa1865a0cc5...@lindenlab.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I've never seen that *myself*, and I've run a number of different viewer > builds since installing Lion dev preview 4. > > -- Yoz > > > On Tuesday, August 16, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Lee ponzu wrote: > >> i have heard two people report that they cannot *initiate* an IM. They can >> receive them, but not *start* a session. >> >> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Yoz Grahame<y...@lindenlab.com >> (mailto:y...@lindenlab.com)> wrote: >>> Not speaking for the team here (especially because I'm not in viewer >>> development), just myself as a Lion user (Mid-2009 MBP, NVidia): >>> >>> There are only two major Lion-specific bugs that have bitten my own use so >>> far. >>> >>> One is Freaky Polygons, which was quickly eased by turning off OpenGL >>> vertex buffer objects (VBOs) in the Graphics->Hardware settings. There's a >>> fix of some kind in the pipeline. >>> The other is a weird problem with certain web views (such as Profiles) >>> showing up with no CSS or JS; this turned out to be SSL cert related, and >>> there's a fix for this one in the pipeline too. >>> >>> Apart from those two bugs, the viewer Works On My Machine?. I hope it also >>> answers the overall question: yes, attention is being paid. >>> >>> -- Yoz >>> >>> >>> On Monday, August 15, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Lee ponzu wrote: >>> >>> >>>> How much attention is being paid to Lion? I think the natives are >>>> starting to get restless. >>>> >>>> ponzu >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >>>> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >>>> Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting >>>> privileges >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/opensource-dev/attachments/20110816/7274cbed/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > opensource-dev mailing list > opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com > https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensource-dev > > > End of opensource-dev Digest, Vol 19, Issue 41 > ********************************************** > _______________________________________________ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
