OH well some one gets paid to complicate stuff. To me it is a rip off to linden labs. the 64 bit viewer was done a long time ago rest is stroking some scripts. No respect for the wheel I see.
On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 11:59 AM, < opensource-dev-requ...@lists.secondlife.com> wrote: > Send opensource-dev mailing list submissions to > opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ > opensource-dev > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > opensource-dev-requ...@lists.secondlife.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > opensource-dev-ow...@lists.secondlife.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of opensource-dev digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: opensource-dev Digest, Vol 78, Issue 26 (Brent Racobs) > 2. Re: opensource-dev Digest, Vol 78, Issue 26 (Darien Caldwell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 10:55:45 -0600 > From: Brent Racobs <flats_fi...@flatsfixedbicycles.com> > Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] opensource-dev Digest, Vol 78, Issue 26 > To: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com > Message-ID: > <CADWa8vi7Bjqk28CqE1dpa1sk3J2ZAdwYiQEEzFxaRBysbHeyXg@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Jan 31, 2017 2:00 PM, <opensource-dev-requ...@lists.secondlife.com> > wrote: > > > Send opensource-dev mailing list submissions to > > opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openso > > urce-dev > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > opensource-dev-requ...@lists.secondlife.com > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > opensource-dev-ow...@lists.secondlife.com > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of opensource-dev digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Linux (Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)) > > 2. Mac viewer and Apple maintained opensource libraries > > (Geir N?klebye) > > 3. Re: Mac viewer and Apple maintained opensource libraries > > (Cinder Roxley) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 18:37:49 -0500 > > From: "Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)" <o...@lindenlab.com> > > Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Linux > > To: "Nicky D." <sl.nicky...@googlemail.com> > > Cc: "opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com" > > <opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com>, Nat Goodspeed > > <n...@lindenlab.com> > > Message-ID: <4a74f4d6-835b-70fe-f31f-5de197cf3...@lindenlab.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > On 2017-01-30 12:41 , Nicky D. wrote: > > >> For the time being, we expect that it will be based on the current > > system, > > >> modified to use system libraries rather than autobuild packages that > > build a > > >> static executable (some packages will be used in our builds for > > proprietary > > >> components). I'm not sure that answers your question... > > >> > > > This is the old Squeeze based Debian? > > No, we're going to leapfrog to Jessie for this. > > > > >> Granted, *.deb is a much used package manager for debian and derived > > >> distros. Will any other distro package managers be developed? I assume > > the > > >> answer is no so, will OS developer submissions of other package > manager > > >> formats be accepted? > > >> > > >> Let's worry about getting one to work... if we're wildly successful > with > > >> that and there's a good reason to do something else, we'll discuss it. > > > I'm not sure yet what to make out of this change, as we possible need > > > to see a deb to see > > > about some of the consequences. Just a few thoughts: > > > > > > - Standalone is afaik broken since a long time, for example there is > > > missing FindXXX.cmake > > > files for various packages. > > > > > > - As far as I know are there no system packages for (at least) glod, > > > colladadom, breakpad and cef. > > > > > > - Some distributions only ship openjpeg2, not 1.4 or 1.5 (for example > > > I cannot find anything older than 2 > > > for Debian Wheezy). Possibly this can be worked around with non > > > standard deb repositories in apt.conf. > > > > > > - Compiling the deb eg on Squeeze and trying to install it on > > > something Wheezy based could lead to > > > interesting results, due to the dependent packages from the Squeeze > > > system being recorded in the deb. > > > (Or compiling on Wheezy and installing on Jessie and so on). > > > > > > - VLC: Henri pointed out a few times, that the VLC api is not exactly > > > stable between releases. > > > > > > - Boost will be interesting > > > > Well, if it was easy it wouldn't be any fun, would it? > > > > -- > > OZ LINDEN | Engineering Director, Second Life > > email or hangouts: o...@lindenlab.com <mailto:o...@lindenlab.com> | Real > > Life: Scott Lawrence > > LINDEN LAB | Create Virtual Experiences <https://www.lindenlab.com> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: http://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/opensource-dev/attachm > > ents/20170130/73d930ef/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 11:55:13 +0100 > > From: Geir N?klebye <geir.nokle...@dayturn.com> > > Subject: [opensource-dev] Mac viewer and Apple maintained opensource > > libraries > > To: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com > > Message-ID: <197e8cc4-417c-439e-aee4-023124327...@dayturn.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Are you all aware of the Apple maintained opensource libraries already > > included in macOS that you also maintain and use in the viewer? Examples > > are libexpat, pcre, openAL, hunspell and openssl. > > > > It might be easier to build the macOS version of the viewer with these > > libraries, rather than spend (a lot of) effort on maintaining them for > > macOS on your own. > > > > Opensource that is included in every version of macOS is listed on > > https://opensource.apple.com <https://opensource.apple.com/> with code > to > > be downloaded. > > > > > > In addition there are the system framework image handling dylibs in > > /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Fra > > meworks/ImageIO.framework/Resources/ > > > > Cheers, > > Geir N?klebye aka Gavin Hird > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: http://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/opensource-dev/attachm > > ents/20170131/62ebbe35/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 12:05:53 +0000 > > From: Cinder Roxley <cin...@alchemyviewer.org> > > Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Mac viewer and Apple maintained > > opensource libraries > > To: opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com > > <opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com> > > Message-ID: > > <01000159f46abe46-afa83f5f-857c-4ac7-a983-2e4f55ee2dbb-00000 > > 0...@email.amazonses.com> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > On January 31, 2017 at 4:55:26 AM, Geir N?klebye ( > > geir.nokle...@dayturn.com <mailto:geir.nokle...@dayturn.com> ) wrote: > > > > Are you all aware of the Apple maintained opensource libraries already > > included in macOS that you also maintain and use in the viewer? ?Examples > > are libexpat, pcre, openAL, hunspell and openssl. > > Most of which are woefully out of date. > > > > --? > > Cinder Roxley > > Sent with Airmail > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: http://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/opensource-dev/attachm > > ents/20170131/db2fcc4e/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > opensource-dev mailing list > > opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com > > https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensource-dev > > > > > > End of opensource-dev Digest, Vol 78, Issue 26 > > ********************************************** > > > This has been the largest waist of Linden Lab's money in development I have > ever had a chance to watch. > the x86 cpu is an ancient devices. > The thought of looking at all the commits on scripts for "ARCH" is insane. > As many of us have watched this OZ we pretty much watched you single handed > steal money from linden lab's > for unnecessary work. Windows 7 is no longer supported by windows on 99 > percent of the machines Vivox makes a 64 bit > plugin for you. > Fact OZ your wonderful Autobuild I do like has become a joke. ARMS 32 cpu > will be fazed out soon the viewer has no use for it. > Just take the work Imprudence did in 2009 and stop ripping off Linden Lab's > ok. > Mac is now only supporting 64 bit since last year. Windows 10 is the same. > At this point your team has pretty much become worthless writing commits > for ARCH > > This is real simple stuff in the opensource community. > To create a build system that requires scripts to build 32 and 64 bit when > there is no need to > do this. > And to think Linden Labs is this blind to watch you rip them off is nut's. > build your 64 bit lib's and build the viewer. Fix the code in the client > like we all have been doing > for years so it compiles stop ripping off Linden Labs. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/opensource-dev/ > attachments/20170211/63b7113a/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 09:59:29 -0800 > From: Darien Caldwell <darien.caldw...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] opensource-dev Digest, Vol 78, Issue 26 > To: "opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com" > <opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com> > Message-ID: > <CAD1wxTSviQrV4qHFAcJtGP6sxBCQ0T3VJ6+xJx8zURRPyb7GFA@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Brent Racobs < > flats_fi...@flatsfixedbicycles.com> wrote: > > > > >> This has been the largest waist of Linden Lab's money in development I > > have ever had a chance to watch. > > the x86 cpu is an ancient devices. > > The thought of looking at all the commits on scripts for "ARCH" is > insane. > > As many of us have watched this OZ we pretty much watched you single > > handed steal money from linden lab's > > for unnecessary work. Windows 7 is no longer supported by windows on 99 > > percent of the machines Vivox makes a 64 bit > > plugin for you. > > Fact OZ your wonderful Autobuild I do like has become a joke. ARMS 32 cpu > > will be fazed out soon the viewer has no use for it. > > Just take the work Imprudence did in 2009 and stop ripping off Linden > > Lab's ok. > > Mac is now only supporting 64 bit since last year. Windows 10 is the > same. > > At this point your team has pretty much become worthless writing commits > > for ARCH > > > > This is real simple stuff in the opensource community. > > To create a build system that requires scripts to build 32 and 64 bit > when > > there is no need to > > do this. > > And to think Linden Labs is this blind to watch you rip them off is > nut's. > > build your 64 bit lib's and build the viewer. Fix the code in the > client > > like we all have been doing > > for years so it compiles stop ripping off Linden Labs. > > > > > > It's not 'stealing money', it's their job. I'll be honest I barely follow > what you're trying to say, but I do see of factual inaccuracies. > - Windows 7 is still being run on 40% of machines worldwide; whether > Microsoft continues to support it officially or not is irrelevant. > - Windows 10 *does* support 32 bit, both as an O/S version, and as the > ability to run 32 bit executables. 32 bit isn't going away. And since some > key libraries such as Havok only have 32 bit versions, a 32 bit Viewer will > always be required. > - The whole point of LL having an Open Source program is to share the > viewer code with the community. Nobody is "Ripping LL off", LL does what > they do to share the fruits of their labor with the community. In short > they *want* the community to use their work. Otherwise they wouldn't > publish anything. And in turn the community supplies them with code as well > (which they are choosy about accepting, as is their right). > > As for Apple, IMHO it can DIAF, but trying to support it certainly isn't a > waste if a large enough % of users use that O/S. I'm pretty sure LL is in > a far better position to judge what is and isn't a waste of their resources > than you are. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/opensource-dev/ > attachments/20170211/e43a956e/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > opensource-dev mailing list > opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com > https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensource-dev > > > End of opensource-dev Digest, Vol 79, Issue 7 > ********************************************* > -- FLATS FIXED Emergency repairs flatsfixedbicycles.com This message has been sent by the most powerful bleeding edge operating system known to man SLACKWARE64-CURRENT <http://www.slackware.com/>We Get The Slack Back. It is free. Try it you will never go back just keep the slack.
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