On 5/12/2020 7:44 AM, Martin Winter wrote:
we want to offer a chance to people who were attacked to respond in a
final email
to correct the accusations and have the last word
For anyone who might have even the slightest suspicions about Elad's
accusations, as I mentioned, I had attended the M3WAAG conference in
Atlanta in 2015, and MANY very important people in the email hosting,
ESP, ISP, and spam filtering industries saw me there. I had extensive
face-to-face conversations with the following people: Tobias Herkula
(Optivo, now with w/Cyren), Terry Zinc (then Microsoft, now w/Facebook),
Tim Starr (Maropost), Alex Marinkovic (then Cox, now
w/Cloudmark/Proofpoint), Bart Bailey (Earthlink, now w/Windstream), Mary
Youngblood (then Teradata, now w/Adobe), Jaren Angerbauer (Proofpoint),
Adam Wosotowsky (McAfee), Adrien Gendre (Vade), and I had dinner with
the ENTIRE SURBL team (except Jeff Chan missed that conference - but
everyone else from SURBL was there - including Raymond Dijkxhoorn & Joe
Wein). Tobias was assigned to be my "mentor" since that was my first
M3WAAG conference - and I joked in a room full of people about how I
was "having trouble finding my mentor, but I heard that he has a red
mohawk" (or whatever crazy color he had dyed his hair at that time) -
while Tobias was there on the other side of the same room (as if it
would be hard to spot him). Tobias and I had a great conversation during
a bus ride where we compared the financial systems of Germany and the
US. He was down on the US's minimum wage being so low - but I was able
to future out that Germany has an apprenticeship system that is very
similar, and that neutered many of his best arguments! (it was a
friendly debate!) Also, in a fascinating face-to-face conversation with
Mary Youngblood, I found out that Mary was the person who actually
coined the phrase, "phishing", when she worked in Earthlink's spam
filtering department years earlier, and had to come up with a term to
satisfy a journalist who was writing at story on this new type of spam.
A highlight of my life was walking to a restaurant with Joe Wein of
SURBL and "comparing notes". The whole experience was AMAZING! BTW - if
you ever meet Terry Zink - get him to show you his card tricks. They are
AMAZING! And, to this day, Tim Starr and I are very good friends! (on
facebook, we chat about politics and other topics almost daily)
I also occasionally attended a few much smaller regional email
"meet-ups" in the Atlanta area that were put together by Greg Kraios
(then 250OK, now w/Validity) and Chris Arrendale (then Inbox Pros, now
w/Trendline Interactive)
...there I met face-to-face with people such as Joey Rutledge
(Mailchimp), Patrick Knight (Adobe), Nancy Harris (Sailthru), Tim
Draegen (dmarcian), Taylor Jones (MessageGears), Geralmy Swint (then
Trend Micro, now Adobe) Laura Atkins (Word to the Wise) - although my
conversation with Laura was one-time and brief. Also, I think I saw
Geralmy Swint at *both* M3WAAG and these Atlanta meetups?
As I mentioned, I don't get out much - but ALL these people mentioned
had face-to-face conversations with me. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.
UNLIKE me, MOST of these people go to these types of conferences all the
time, year-after-year, and they therefore know the Spamhaus team much
better than me - and I've seen it mentioned that "Rob Shultz" does
presentations at conferences like this (at least occasionally?). So I
THINK (???) many of them have seen BOTH me and "Rob Shultz" face to face
- so if anyone still has any doubts - ask one of them - there is
probably someone you know on this list who would get a good laugh out of
this too!
I'm not the "liar" in this conversation. This SHOULD end all lingering
doubts, if anyone had any.
--
Rob McEwen
https://www.invaluement.com
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