On Thu, 7 Jul 2005, Andy Polyakov wrote:

1) In openssl-0.9.8/crypto/des/cfb_enc.c line 170 there is "memcpy
(ovec,ovec+num,8);" and since ovec and ovec+num will overlap sometimes,
this function relies on undocumented/undefined behavior of memcpy?

The original reason for choosing of memcpy was a) it's comonly inlined by compilers [most notably gcc], but not memmove, b) I fail to imagine how it can fail with overlapping regions if num is guaranteed to be positive, even if the routine is super-optimized, inlined, whatever. Can you?


This doesn't make any sense - if memcpy can handle overlapping regions
without any slowdown, then wouldn't it make sense to implemenent
memmove as a #define (or inline call to) memcpy?

Do note "[when] num [as in memcpy(ovec,ovec+num,8)] is guaranteed to be positive." Question was can you imagine memcpy implementation that would fail to handle overlapping regions when source address is *larger* than destination? Question was *not* if you can imagine memcpy implementation that would fail to handle arbitrary overlapping regions.

Yes.

void * memcpy(void * dst, const void * src, size_t len) {
    char * d = ((char *) dst) + len;
    const char * s = ((const char *) src) + len;

    while (len-- > 0) {
        *--d = *--s;
    }
    return dst;
}

This is a fully conformant implementation of memcpy. Not sure why you'd implement it this way, but it's legal.


Either memcpy does
not handle overlaps while memmove does, or memcpy and memmove work at
the same speed, because the ability to handle overlapping memory
regions is the only difference between the two.

See a). Inlining is believed/expected to be faster than call to a function.

This is not always true. If the inlining causes the code size to bloat and no longer fit into cache, for example. Also, shared copies of the function can share branch prediction information.

It is true in this case, I mention.  At least on the x86.

But this is an example of programming by coincidence.

Brian

______________________________________________________________________
OpenSSL Project                                 http://www.openssl.org
Development Mailing List                       [email protected]
Automated List Manager                           [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Reply via email to