> This was the same argument used by the Linux people to get the University
> of California, Berkeley to revoke it's "advert clause"
>
> However, once that happened the GPL people simply grabbed what bits they
> wanted and ran off.  Berkeley software hasn't seen any additional
> attention or
> benefit from the GPL people as a result of revoking this, and neither
> will
> OpenSSL.

        Bluntly, that seems like a seriously demented view to me.

        That the GPL people grabbed the bits they wanted and used them to 
improve
their software sounds good to me. I would hope that an organization that
offers free software isn't acting only in its own interest. It should
consider as an intrinsic good that its software is being used by and
benefitting people.

        What is your metric by which success is measured? It's obviously not how
many people use the software and how useful they find it to be.

        If GPL people "strip mine" OpenSSL and take the parts they consider good
and leave the parts they consider bad and put together a better and more
standards-compliant ssl and cryptography library because of it, why is that
not a good thing that should be given weight in the consideration of the
benefits of making the license more GPL-compatible?

        If you look at my views and who I am, you'll find that I'm probably one 
of
the strongest and most vocal GPL critics out there. However, my complaint is
generally that the GPL prevents people from using GPL software to improve
non-GPL software, causing overall software quality, security, and
interoperability to suffer. I think people wrote write open source software
for the public good should be more interested in helping people by allowing
them to use their software than territorial turf wars to exclude people.

        Isn't making as much software as possible more secure an inherent good?
Think about the forces of evil that secure computing work against -- you
know what they are.

        DS


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